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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#21 - 2014-01-31 17:37:16 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec.

That's the problem in the first place.



not true.. lazynnes is still the most powerful force in the universe. But the direction is correct. Base payout should be even lower and the reward should be even higher. Also the time to hit share should not be THAT fast. Should take at least like 1 min.


Yeah def! In some systems its a 30s warp just to get to the ESS

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#22 - 2014-01-31 17:40:23 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec.



Desert null sec...LOL.
While I was totally against the original design as a purely malicious attack on null sec line members (and I hate the newer version even more), there was, and is, zero chance of players leaving null sec.

The ISK is way too high, the risk far too low, for anyone who likes that kind of thing to give it up.
The only thing that can kill you in null sec is boredom.
Qweasdy
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-01-31 18:00:18 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec.



Desert null sec...LOL.
While I was totally against the original design as a purely malicious attack on null sec line members (and I hate the newer version even more), there was, and is, zero chance of players leaving null sec.

The ISK is way too high, the risk far too low, for anyone who likes that kind of thing to give it up.
The only thing that can kill you in null sec is boredom.


I live in nullsec, I make all my money in highsec, go figure.

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Nuela
WoT Misfits
#24 - 2014-01-31 18:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuela
Qweasdy wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec.



Desert null sec...LOL.
While I was totally against the original design as a purely malicious attack on null sec line members (and I hate the newer version even more), there was, and is, zero chance of players leaving null sec.

The ISK is way too high, the risk far too low, for anyone who likes that kind of thing to give it up.
The only thing that can kill you in null sec is boredom.


I live in nullsec, I make all my money in highsec, go figure.


For PvE, I make more isk in Level 4's hisec myself. But then again, I made more in L4's in hisec that I made in Incursions PRENERF.

Anoms in null, Incursions, and hisec L4's paid about the same, all things considered, but L4's still squeek out highest. I have L4 mission running for wealth down to a fine art though so YMMV.

Why do Nullsec PvE or Incursions then? For something different. Can't make isk the same way all the time without going crazy(er)
James Nikolas Tesla
Tesla Holdings
#25 - 2014-01-31 18:36:24 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Out in various nullsex looking for ESS to rob and I've only found one. Which had 1.2mil in it which I stole. Went back couple hours later and it was gone (presumably scooped).

Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos?

Update: Since making this thread I've found a few ESS. Most are empty or have very little isk in them.
In order found
~45 mil lost it in a fire in Delve :(
6 mil got ran off by locals
165 mil OP SUCCESS lel Lol
~20 mil OP SUCCESS

Nullsex, never heard of it. Is that where the ship blobs go for their orgies?

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AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-01-31 18:40:41 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


If you drop payment to 66% of normal, people will simply desert nullsec.

That's the problem in the first place.



not true.. lazynnes is still the most powerful force in the universe. But the direction is correct. Base payout should be even lower and the reward should be even higher. Also the time to hit share should not be THAT fast. Should take at least like 1 min.


You really don't understand 0.0 do you? The bears are there to bear in peace, not be bothered constantly, or have to worry about an additional mechanics. With the buff to interceptors, it's already become a pain to rat, make it worse, and everyone will be in high sec doing incursions.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#27 - 2014-01-31 18:47:00 UTC
My understanding is that most of the HS income comes from LP and that is part of the problem with the disparity in NS vs HS incomes. This thing drops LP. Granted, not at the level it's supposed to but after Monday when they fix this thing, doesn't that incentivize it's use for the LP?

Does the LP amount need to be increased from its current 150-200 LP/1 million ISK?

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#28 - 2014-01-31 18:54:50 UTC
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:

Nullsex, never heard of it.


HighSex is what happens before you get married. NullSex is what happens after you say I do. No more Wormhole either.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#29 - 2014-01-31 19:01:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:

Nullsex, never heard of it.


HighSex is what happens before you get married. NullSex is what happens after you say I do. No more Wormhole either.


As a wh corp Nullsex is how we affectionately refer to our numerous 0.0 exits

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#30 - 2014-01-31 19:15:24 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
...people will simply desert nullsec.

That's the problem in the first place.
Yup. And the ESS is a more-or-less direct nerf on ratting income in Null. If you want more bears out in Null, you need to make it more attractive, not more complicated. Making it more complicated and less remunerative (over all) at the same time is just silly.
Sieg oder Valhalla
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#31 - 2014-01-31 19:15:37 UTC
With the release of Rubicon 1.1, I've stopped all ratting in nullsec and simply run L4s in highsec for my ISK; better money, less risk. It's clear that CCP doesn't actually want anyone living in nullsec, since the last few patches have been a series of "**** yous" to nullsec line members.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#32 - 2014-01-31 19:24:00 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
...people will simply desert nullsec.

That's the problem in the first place.
Yup. And the ESS is a more-or-less direct nerf on ratting income in Null. If you want more bears out in Null, you need to make it more attractive, not more complicated. Making it more complicated and less remunerative (over all) at the same time is just silly.


Upvoted for use of the word "remunerative".

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Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#33 - 2014-01-31 19:24:49 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:

165 mil OP SUCCESS lel Lol


For anyone interested, it appears that there is a ESS operated by stupid renters in either Q2-N6W or A-5F4A, go have fun.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#34 - 2014-01-31 19:33:38 UTC
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:

165 mil OP SUCCESS lel Lol


For anyone interested, it appears that there is a ESS operated by stupid renters in either Q2-N6W or A-5F4A, go have fun.


It was Q2 and they've since removed the ESS Straight

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Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#35 - 2014-01-31 19:58:04 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:

165 mil OP SUCCESS lel Lol


For anyone interested, it appears that there is a ESS operated by stupid renters in either Q2-N6W or A-5F4A, go have fun.


It was Q2 and they've since removed the ESS Straight



Another success story for CCP's new deployable!
trader joes Ichinumi
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-01-31 22:45:46 UTC  |  Edited by: trader joes Ichinumi
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Out in various nullsex looking for ESS to rob and I've only found one. Which had 1.2mil in it which I stole. Went back couple hours later and it was gone (presumably scooped).

Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos?


I've experienced the ESS once. An alliance mate put up and Amarr ESS and it caused some "discussion" in local but we all decided to leave it up and give it a go. The owner sat a cyno alt on the thing at zero and as soon as hostiles showed up next door he hit share. The cyno alt was able to get away, we all got our isk and LP and the hostiles didn't even bother to shoot the ESS.

So much for "driving conflict" though lol. The total risk on our part was 1 25 mil ESS (owned by one guy not the alliance) and his cyno alt who had his clone set for the system we were in so even if it and it's noob ship died, no big whoop. The ESS should have never left the drawing board is was born on.


Make sure you deploy it as far from the gates as possible. That can give you an extra 5-10 seconds to share all.

The ESS is great for renters with cyno alts. Most of them bubble the hell out of their gates anyway and its only 30 seconds to share all. The only ships that can possibly get to you in time are interceptors and T3s. If you fit a cheap tanky ship, they won't be able to kill you before you loot.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#37 - 2014-02-01 01:17:30 UTC
trader joes Ichinumi wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Out in various nullsex looking for ESS to rob and I've only found one. Which had 1.2mil in it which I stole. Went back couple hours later and it was gone (presumably scooped).

Also curious if there's any way to find ESS without being in system with it? Is there a map setting like for cynos?


I've experienced the ESS once. An alliance mate put up and Amarr ESS and it caused some "discussion" in local but we all decided to leave it up and give it a go. The owner sat a cyno alt on the thing at zero and as soon as hostiles showed up next door he hit share. The cyno alt was able to get away, we all got our isk and LP and the hostiles didn't even bother to shoot the ESS.

So much for "driving conflict" though lol. The total risk on our part was 1 25 mil ESS (owned by one guy not the alliance) and his cyno alt who had his clone set for the system we were in so even if it and it's noob ship died, no big whoop. The ESS should have never left the drawing board is was born on.


Make sure you deploy it as far from the gates as possible. That can give you an extra 5-10 seconds to share all.

The ESS is great for renters with cyno alts. Most of them bubble the hell out of their gates anyway and its only 30 seconds to share all. The only ships that can possibly get to you in time are interceptors and T3s. If you fit a cheap tanky ship, they won't be able to kill you before you loot.


I am at this moment training my cyno alt for a Maller lol. I don't like the ESS but until my alliance bans it im juice that mofo for all i can get lol.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#38 - 2014-02-01 01:28:03 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
My understanding is that most of the HS income comes from LP and that is part of the problem with the disparity in NS vs HS incomes. This thing drops LP. Granted, not at the level it's supposed to but after Monday when they fix this thing, doesn't that incentivize it's use for the LP?

Does the LP amount need to be increased from its current 150-200 LP/1 million ISK?

Your understanding about high sec income breakdown is wrong (unless you are talking the current crazy SOE LP which is not the standard). LP is normally about a third of the total income and included in the figures people claim for high sec already Even lower ratio for incursions at about 20%.

Once they fix the ESS (What is bugged?) you can potentially get up to 25% 'more' income than you could before the ESS using the same average LP value. Even higher income if you manage to leverage the LP market. Is a 25% income boost not good enough to justify the risk of 25 million, given with the LP payout you break even before you even start to recover any isk from the ESS.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-02-01 03:01:18 UTC
ESS dropping in enemy system + stealth bomber or cloaky nado gank squad = fun.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#40 - 2014-02-01 03:22:37 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
ESS dropping in enemy system + stealth bomber or cloaky nado gank squad = fun.


I don't think you understand null... AFK cloaker in Null system means ABANDON SYSTEM

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