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I don't see where skill is involved with EVE Online.

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Gaj Butler
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-31 18:20:37 UTC
I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.

When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.

I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...

At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#2 - 2014-01-31 18:21:51 UTC
You can buy a T3 ship but you needs skills to fly it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2014-01-31 18:23:09 UTC
Gaj Butler wrote:
I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money.
You need to look a bit closer, then, because it doesn't really work like that.

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When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill.
Same goes for this. There's a term you might have come across that describes those have just paid more: it's “loot piñata”.
Eaphod
Amalgamated Co-Operative Enterprise
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#4 - 2014-01-31 18:23:17 UTC
Gaj Butler wrote:
The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game...


I can't believe I even made this far into your post, but I stopped reading after that line. If you don't know or can't remember something as simple as them being called corporations, then you obviously don't know enough about the game to comment on PVP skill.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5 - 2014-01-31 18:25:15 UTC
I feel like this is a copy paste job from a troll thread I've seen before.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#6 - 2014-01-31 18:27:33 UTC
Gaj Butler wrote:
I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.

When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.

I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...

At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.


"I quit" posts go to Out of Pod Experience.

Do your friends also fly for The Scope? You should talk to Anslo. That guy IS The Scope. :)

Seriously though, if you want to PvP get on with RvB. They can help you get better and give you some direction on what to train and how to fly what you're training.

Or, you know, quit and wait until 2025 for the Star Citizen release or, you know, spend time with your family, do the housework, study, read a book, or whatever else gives you wood for a short time.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#7 - 2014-01-31 18:27:37 UTC
If you spend enough money, you too can have as much isk as Gevlon Goblin.

Source: his blog this week

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-01-31 18:27:52 UTC
Upgrade your clone and fill it. Skill found

/thread

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Kryptik Kai
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2014-01-31 18:29:13 UTC
0/10

Put in more effort next time

"Shiny.  Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#10 - 2014-01-31 18:30:25 UTC
I dont think this is a usefull thread at all. I also completely disagree. So I'm not gonna tell you the solution either.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#11 - 2014-01-31 18:30:50 UTC
you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead

even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills

so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#12 - 2014-01-31 18:31:42 UTC
Gaj Butler wrote:
I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.

When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.

I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...

At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.


Seeing something and understanding it is not the same. Skill to fly a ship with modules comes from time invested. You cant just grind your way up like theme park MMO's

Skill comes from fitting your ships and understanding what works best against your enemies ship type.

Skill comes from knowing when to kite/brawl/run or when to take on 3v1.

Skill comes from evading the blob and living to brag about it.


Like I told my own son....this game is not for those seeking instant gratification like those you are use to like WOW or Everquest or Guild wars etc.
Anslo
Scope Works
#13 - 2014-01-31 18:32:19 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Gaj Butler wrote:
I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.

When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.

I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...

At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.


"I quit" posts go to Out of Pod Experience.

Do your friends also fly for The Scope? You should talk to Anslo. That guy IS The Scope. :)

Seriously though, if you want to PvP get on with RvB. They can help you get better and give you some direction on what to train and how to fly what you're training.

Or, you know, quit and wait until 2025 for the Star Citizen release or, you know, spend time with your family, do the housework, study, read a book, or whatever else gives you wood for a short time.

You could RvB. Or you could come with us. Up to you. Just get a better attitude and open your mind.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#14 - 2014-01-31 18:34:14 UTC
Morganta wrote:
you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead

even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills

so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you


Generally the best learning is accomplished by getting your ass kicked and dying. Smile

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#15 - 2014-01-31 18:34:25 UTC
Gaj Butler wrote:
it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money.


I wasn't aware that losing real money didn't matter. Plus, the people that sell plex for pvp have always been a minority (a small minority) in my experience. Especially people in faction warfare are able to fund themselves through in-game activities.

Eve is not a twitch shooter. It does involve skill. The judgements of a three week old newbie reflect primarily on the newbie. If you can't make it in this game, that's okay. Most people can't. But don't pretend to know what you're talking about.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#16 - 2014-01-31 18:35:18 UTC
I...I can't believe this hasn't been asked yet, so...can I have your stuff?
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#17 - 2014-01-31 18:37:32 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Morganta wrote:
you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead

even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills

so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you


Generally the best learning is accomplished by getting your ass kicked and dying. Smile


over and over and over and over...

really the OP needs to buy a hundred rifters and go dueling in one of those places where duelers hang out
James Nikolas Tesla
Tesla Holdings
#18 - 2014-01-31 18:39:22 UTC
Skill

/thread

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.
Mario Putzo
#19 - 2014-01-31 18:39:36 UTC
Only way to learn is by getting ships blow up. I am really bad at this game because I don't lose many ships.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-01-31 18:47:21 UTC
You see the difference in equipment and think that's the reason you suck, but that's not it. You're a new player so by default you're terrible at EVE, your character skills are low and your equipment sucks. Buying yourself the best gear won't change the outcome though and neither will more character skills, since it's the player skills and knowledge that makes the most difference. Until you get better as a player in EVE no matter the gear you use or how much skill points you have, you will continue to do badly in PvP. There are hard and easy ways to get better, but either way you're going to have to keep trying and do some dying before you get there.
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