Player Features and Ideas Discussion

no.

power projection is already an issue, last thing we need is more cynos in more places.

Search function is made for nerds. Normal people just generate new threats.

This is a bad idea...

It would be so overpowered for noob griefers, you would be able use neutral alts to bridge/jump into mission sites and belts. It's literally only going to make it easier for high sp chars to bully low sp chars, and that is already very easy in hi-sec, you might as well ask for caps being allowed into hi-sec.

If you want to pvp in black ops go to low/null where they belong, you have clearly out grown hi-sec.

I have no vested interest in this. I'm pretty much just playing devils advocate.



Sorry, are you talking about noobs who are in corps who are under a wardec or not? You seem to be, considering your use of "neutral alts". If you are, why is it a bad thing that others can be bridged onto them? They're at war. Doing any PVE activity whilst at war has an inherant risk. I don't see the problem. If you're not talking about them being under a wardec, what does it matter? The bridged fleet can't do anything without being CONCORDed.

What it would do is mean that a well prepared high sec corp can spring surprises on the gate camps of those that have wardecced them. At the moment, the wardeccers have neutral alts sitting in adjacent systems and often further down the pipes so they have warning of war targets. Juicy ones get killed, anyone actually trying to fight their deccers and the wardeccers flee. At the moment the system is weighted in favour of the specialist wardeccer corps.

With this change the table would be turned somewhat. The wardecced corps would have a method to actually force some fights from the wardeccers.

Obviously, this topic has been discussed before so I must be missing something. If someone who understands this better than me could explain it that would be appreciated.

hahaha. Good one. No, of course not. I wouldn't suggest that if this was introduced mass fleets of black ops would start jumping around high sec destroying gate camps.

What I am suggesting is that a black ops could be used to bridge stealth bombers, force recons and tech III ship fleets right on top of war target gate camps using neutral cov ops cyno ships. Hit and run style, as you say.

Currently there is no realistic way of forcing an entity that has war decced your corp to fight. They use neutral alts to get forewarning of any force that might threaten them and they leave/dock up.

I simply can't see the negative sides here. What reasons are there that makes this unbalanced?

Not supported.

There is little enough in the way of incentives to encourage people to move out of HiSec so removing one even as minor as this should be avoided.

If you want to play with the more interesting toys you will just have to come play with us.

Covert cynos already don't work in deadspace pockets, you can light it inside but the ships will be dropped outside the complex on the acceleration gate and will have to gate in.

Plus you'd still need a wardec to actually attack someone, in which case the poor noob running his mission is still liable to get dunked by a cloaky legion with or without a covert cyno.



With the number of wardecs that TEST usually has, you should be glad to have the opportunity to dunk on the likes of Marmite Collective's gatecamps with your bombers.



Considering that there are entire alliances that do nothing but wardec random corps for the sake of having easy targets while being practically untouchable themselves, I'd say opening up the tools available for highsec conflict would help bring more people into lowsec, not keep them out.