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[Rubicon 1.3] New way of acquiring the Astero, Stratios and Nestor

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#21 - 2014-01-31 15:04:11 UTC
Damnit Rise, I haven't had a chance to liquidate my Sanctuary LP yet. I saw the livestream, but you weren't supposed to actually TELL anyone yet. Blink

I'm sure clarification will come, but here's my question on these chips, just to get you thinking.

I assume this will only drop from faction/sentient drone spawns? It would be great if they also got added to drone site exploration tables, which are currently empty of valuable stuff. I don't know the mechanics of Eve's loot tables, but the nexus chips should probably drop at a higher absolute rate than pirate faction spawns. Just to make up for the crappy loot table of sentient drones. This looks like one very small but noticeable step toward making drone sites worth running. There needs to be more.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#22 - 2014-01-31 15:04:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Can mynnna call it or what lol? Here comes Dinsdale like clock work.

I blame your over arrogant actual request for a nerf on something that hasn't been an issue for years & years.
Not the initial change. Which I'm pretty sure will have minimal impact once panic stops.
CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#23 - 2014-01-31 15:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Rise
Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.

I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships.

@ccp_rise
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#24 - 2014-01-31 15:08:29 UTC
What about the Lesser Strain Mother from the lowsec 5/10 drone DED?
stoicfaux
#25 - 2014-01-31 15:08:56 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Why do the Sisters want drone chips?

edit: Wait, so the SoE ships' drone bonus comes from salvaged Rogue Drone technology? This isn't going to end well, is it?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#26 - 2014-01-31 15:13:13 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Why do the Sisters want drone chips?

edit: Wait, so the SoE ships' drone bonus comes from salvaged Rogue Drone technology? This isn't going to end well, is it?

We knew that already, just look at their epic arc ending :P
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#27 - 2014-01-31 15:14:11 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Can mynnna call it or what lol? Here comes Dinsdale like clock work.

I blame your over arrogant actual request for a nerf on something that hasn't been an issue for years & years.
Not the initial change. Which I'm pretty sure will have minimal impact once panic stops.


Try again, and English this time. ie WTF are you smoking this time?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#28 - 2014-01-31 15:14:37 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Can mynnna call it or what lol? Here comes Dinsdale like clock work.


its what keeps me happy at work

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#29 - 2014-01-31 15:15:10 UTC
wtb: rogue drone or fed navy DDAs
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-01-31 15:15:30 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
(potentially Sisters ship prices going up until this change hits for instance)

That makes no sense at all. Anyone with a nestor is going to immediately dump it back on the market to try and avoid losing isk when the change hits and they get devalued to the point of rattlesnake hulls. The same thing will happen with the stratios but less so because the stratios is actually useful.
stoicfaux
#31 - 2014-01-31 15:22:41 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Why do the Sisters want drone chips?

edit: Wait, so the SoE ships' drone bonus comes from salvaged Rogue Drone technology? This isn't going to end well, is it?

We knew that already, just look at their epic arc ending :P

"Sisters" of EVE. Rogue Drones. A lot of hive/colony animals (e.g. bees, ants) are predominately female...

/stocks_up_on_droid_restraining_bolts

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#32 - 2014-01-31 15:27:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
CCP Rise wrote:
Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.

I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market (potentially Sisters ship prices going up until this change hits for instance) because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected at all because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships.


I appreciate the feedback. And on the whole I think this is a really good idea to both buff drones rats and get some Nestors into actual circulation. I'm about to nitpick your analysis a bit though.

Unless sisters LP has already returned to its original value (can correct me here but i doubt it has), the demand for ships has increased the value of sisters LP over what was originally determined by the implants, launchers, and probes. The only possible scenario where sisters LP would be determined solely by demand for those things would be if the chips and sanctuary LP together can satisfy ALL of the demand for the ships, leading to a situation where those ships are suboptimal uses of sisters LP but still optimal uses of sanctuary LP.

If a lot of these chips drop, the advantage of running sanctuary missions will be significantly reduced, so keep that in mind.

Sister's ship prices have decreased steadily this week as people realized the Nestor would be a flop at least initially and people cash in their LP, there's no reason to think they won't continue to decrease with this change on the horizon. I'm not sure why you think they could trend upward temporarily.


TrouserDeagle wrote:
wtb: rogue drone or fed navy DDAs

Sister's DDAs!!!!! Available from the sanctuary!

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#33 - 2014-01-31 15:32:10 UTC
Will the level 5 missions involving drones drop these ? Big smile

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#34 - 2014-01-31 15:34:12 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.

I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market (potentially Sisters ship prices going up until this change hits for instance) because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected at all because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships.


The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered.
You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions.
Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable.

That flies completely in the face of the ethos of Eve.

Stick with wrecking ships and Rapid Launchers.
You understanding of Eve economics is just plain wrong.
CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#35 - 2014-01-31 15:34:41 UTC
Edited my post because I think you're probably right. We were talking yesterday about how announcing this might mean that even less people would cash in LP for ships and so the supply would tighten between now and when this goes live, potentially pushing prices up. I guess we'll see, but your argument makes sense. It also may be that announcing this now simply won't have much of an effect on the market in the mean time.

@ccp_rise
Combat Wombatz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-01-31 15:37:45 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Edited my post because I think you're probably right. We were talking yesterday about how announcing this might mean that even less people would cash in LP for ships and so the supply would tighten between now and when this goes live, potentially pushing prices up. I guess we'll see, but your argument makes sense. It also may be that announcing this now simply won't have much of an effect on the market in the mean time.


It has to be announced sooner or later. Might as well do it now and get the knee-jerking out of the way.
KiithSoban
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#37 - 2014-01-31 15:40:28 UTC
Woah, hold on here. The price of the strat is in a very good place.

However, the price of the Nestor needs to be more in the range of 1.2 bil to 900mil. Also, the astero could receive a 20% reduction in cost.

*This bias is brought to you by a player training his alt to run lvl4s for sisters, who currently runs relics in null on that same alt and would be more excited to see individual players fight in such sites. Also, my main fights in 10-20 man WH and lowsec gangs. I fully appreciate the power of the strat relative to that of other dps ships that can cloak.*

I want to see logi appear on killmails! (by just repping)  See CSM "reasonable things"
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#38 - 2014-01-31 15:40:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.

I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market (potentially Sisters ship prices going up until this change hits for instance) because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected at all because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships.


The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered.
You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions.
Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable.

That flies completely in the face of the ethos of Eve.

Stick with wrecking ships and Rapid Launchers.
You understanding of Eve economics is just plain wrong.



You have issues with reality. The Rogue Drones sites aren't going to drop probes, probe launchers, or virtue implants. The Ships fluffed up Sisters Lp values and this addition does nothing to change this at all. It just means the ships will end up being cheaper.

I remember you telling me that you were doing Sisters missions in your Paladin for Stratios BPCs. It's eye openning to see how you react to a change that is good for the game (by making Sister's ships more affordable to the masses) but bad for your personal wallet. You're reaction is very CARTELish in nature.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#39 - 2014-01-31 15:41:18 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered.
You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions.
Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable.


CCP giveth, and CCP taketh away.

I didn't see you complaining when they added SOE level 4 agents to hisec. Those agents are the REAL reason the value will plummet. Also, SOE LP will be fine, as it was ALREADY very valuable prior to the introduction of the SOE ships. This is primarily a nerf to ebil nullsec pure blind cartel goon mission runners.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Klingon Admiral
Carcinisation
#40 - 2014-01-31 15:44:36 UTC
Can you please break The Anomaly 3/3 again, so that all spawns are faction spawns? :D

Seriously though, good change, and I say that as a highsec-person.