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Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#1 - 2014-01-31 13:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kodavor
I would like to share my thoughts on this . It would require a large game mechanics overhaul but I see only benefits in the long run . So ...

There are a load of solar systems in the 0.0 space that are deserted and unused for a very long time because ... reasons .
If systems could be captured instantly by completing an objective or two in that system . If the system is not owned by anyone then then fleet members get their own system . If it is owned by anyone then they would have to defend it 24/7 if they don't want to lose it or simply recapture it by destroying the aggressors and completing the capture objective once more . Make the system capture requirement completable by ... say 100 odd pilots ?

This change would inspire many pilots within the so called Empire space ( HI sec ) to simply go out and capture a solar system for themselves even if it is for a day or two ! Just give them a chance to name it and let the capture be announced someplace .
It would also require a load of changes to escalations and capital building etc yada yada blah blah . But it would make the WHOLE NULL desirable and skirmishes would erupt across many systems . IT would also meant that no single group of people will be able to hold WHOLE NULL unless they amass enough pilots to protect EVERY SINGLE ONE of the solar systems 24/7 .

Id say it would make NULL space a TARGET for every single pilot or a group of pilots that would like his or his groups name mentioned making them feel noticed .or for whatever other reason there might be . If there actually has to be a reason .

Best regards
Kodavor .
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#2 - 2014-01-31 13:09:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
I'm not a null dweller but: How is your idea fair to those who have sov already and have had to grind to get that space...?

If you want null sec sov... Go take it...

Also, usually, like some wormholes, the unsov'd space is usually not owned because it has no strategic importance and no ISK benefits. Hence, worthless.

Edit: First question is a serious one...

Edit 2: Also, if only there was a whole subforum for FEATURES AND IDEAS!!!

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#3 - 2014-01-31 13:17:19 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
I'm not a null dweller but: How is your idea fair to those who have sov already and have had to grind to get that space...?

If you want null sec sov... Go take it...

Also, usually, like some wormholes, the unsov'd space is usually not owned because it has no strategic importance and no ISK benefits. Hence, worthless.

Edit: First question is a serious one...

Edit 2: Also, if only there was a whole subforum for FEATURES AND IDEAS!!!



Just deal with the change . People dealt with the Titan AoE DD changes . Then they deal with the Dread nerf changes . Just deal with it and adjust .Chose a system that would be most desirable for them and defend it .

In regards to your worthless systems ... it maybe be worthless for many pilots but it may hold a significance if someone simply wants to make his name heard even f it is by capturing a " useless " system .
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2014-01-31 13:18:32 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
I'm not a null dweller but

I may be leaning far out of the window with this, but the TO isn't neither Blink
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-01-31 13:41:58 UTC
Just deal with the change. Even if it's crap. Yeah, right.

You really think your idea has any ground?

Why?

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#6 - 2014-01-31 13:50:07 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
I'm not a null dweller but

I may be leaning far out of the window with this, but the TO isn't neither Blink



Yeah this is the usual GD sperg from non nullsec dwellers who suddenly know everything about nullsec and how to "fix" it.

1. Nullsec systems are SUPPOSED to be empty all the time. It's a frontier, not downtown Manhattan.
2. Nullsec is supposed to be very dangerous - see point 1.
3. Nullsec is supposed to be hard or almost impossible to "control", again, see point 1.
4. Nullsec is supposed to have untapped wealth that somewhat offsets the risk, but said wealth is supposed to be hard to claim, process, logistically transport, etc because oh hey, SEE POINT 1.

If you fill nullsec with stations and alliances and friendly little carebear coalitions then nullsec won't be nullsec anymore and the very next thing you're going to ask for is more star systems and we're right back where we started.
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#7 - 2014-01-31 13:56:37 UTC
Ptraci wrote:

If you fill nullsec with stations and alliances and friendly little carebear coalitions then nullsec won't be nullsec anymore.

Well let me tell you about the cfc Blink
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#8 - 2014-01-31 13:57:40 UTC
What happens:


100 man high-sec gang forms up to "take some null dudes!!!!"



100 man high-sec gang is obliterated the moment it enters a low or null system because everyone and their mothers heard about it six days before it set out.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#9 - 2014-01-31 14:06:25 UTC
Not to mention it would completely **** trying to build supercaps. Although supercaps can generally be seen as "a problem", it is not a viable solution to instantly obliterate 90b worth of materials because your pilots couldn't log into a crashed node for 30 minutes




And who the **** is gonna go out and capture some random null they aren't going to use, after putting together 100 pilots in a situation which will easily result in all of them dying in a fire?
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#10 - 2014-01-31 14:15:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kodavor
Think outside of your box . Dont think about it as a player but as a developer and how it would affect the gameplay further down the road . Do not think as a veteran null pilot . Think wat perspectives it opens up to ALL of the pilots who fly within EvE not only the few 100 who are in Null atm .
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#11 - 2014-01-31 14:35:51 UTC
Kodavor wrote:
Think outside of your box . Dont think about it as a player but as a developer and how it would affect the gameplay further down the road . Do not think as a veteran null pilot . Think wat perspectives it opens up to ALL of the pilots who fly within EvE not only the few 100 who are in Null atm .


Think about the effort, cooperation and resources it takes to maintain, keep or take Sov the cumulative effort of thousands of pilots flying for EvE's many alliances every day.

Think (as a Dev) about spraying all that player time and effort up against a wall and effectively flicking the finger at anyone who has worked for Sov.

As much as I hate Dominion Sov and would like a better system your idea is not the way to go. I suggest you go live in Sov Null for a few years then you might have some idea about what your trying to shovel.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#12 - 2014-01-31 14:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kodavor
Samillian wrote:
Kodavor wrote:
Think outside of your box . Dont think about it as a player but as a developer and how it would affect the gameplay further down the road . Do not think as a veteran null pilot . Think wat perspectives it opens up to ALL of the pilots who fly within EvE not only the few 100 who are in Null atm .


Think about the effort, cooperation and resources it takes to maintain, keep or take Sov the cumulative effort of thousands of pilots flying for EvE's many alliances every day.

Think (as a Dev) about spraying all that player time and effort up against a wall and effectively flicking the finger at anyone who has worked for Sov.

As much as I hate Dominion Sov and would like a better system your idea is not the way to go. I suggest you go live in Sov Null for a few years then you might have some idea about what your trying to shovel.



Adjust . Adapt . Survive . It all comes down to how many pilots would be against it and how many for it . If there are 2000 against and they say WE QUIT !! but 10000 are for it and they are bringing their friends in the game and getting the game more $$$ then the numbers speak for themselves . Everything changes . I would welcome this sort of change .
Effort ? Time you say ? It's a game . Would not it be possible for those same people to test themselves once more ?

P.S. Before you post anything make sure you think absolutely outside of the current game mechanics .
flakeys
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-01-31 14:50:11 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Kodavor wrote:
Samillian wrote:
Kodavor wrote:
Think outside of your box . Dont think about it as a player but as a developer and how it would affect the gameplay further down the road . Do not think as a veteran null pilot . Think wat perspectives it opens up to ALL of the pilots who fly within EvE not only the few 100 who are in Null atm .


Think about the effort, cooperation and resources it takes to maintain, keep or take Sov the cumulative effort of thousands of pilots flying for EvE's many alliances every day.

Think (as a Dev) about spraying all that player time and effort up against a wall and effectively flicking the finger at anyone who has worked for Sov.

As much as I hate Dominion Sov and would like a better system your idea is not the way to go. I suggest you go live in Sov Null for a few years then you might have some idea about what your trying to shovel.



Adjust . Adapt . Survive . It all comes down to how many pilots would be against it and how many for it . If there are 2000 against and they say WE QUIT !! but 10000 are for it and they are bringing their friends in the game and getting the game more $$$ then the numbers speak for themselves . Everything changes . I would welcome this sort of change .
Effort ? Time you say ? It's a game .




I want to ask you to send me all your isk.Once you have done that biomass all your characters.


After you have done this and restarted from scratch , tell me it's just a game and time nor effort has any meaning here .



I'm not even gonna bother with replying to what's so wrong with the idea because i have rarely seen an idea to change null sov that has been so wrong on so many levels that it is an utter waste to spend any time on .Null sov does need a change but sure as HELL not this one .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#14 - 2014-01-31 14:53:28 UTC
Quote:
I want to ask you to send me all your isk.Once you have done that biomass all your characters.


What does this have to do with the proposed game mechanics idea ? Did I propose to biomass your character and take away your wallet numbers ?
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#15 - 2014-01-31 14:58:19 UTC
Kodavor wrote:


Adjust . Adapt . Survive . It all comes down to how many pilots would be against it and how many for it . If there are 2000 against and they say WE QUIT !! but 10000 are for it and they are bringing their friends in the game and getting the game more $$$ then the numbers speak for themselves . Everything changes . I would welcome this sort of change .
Effort ? Time you say ? It's a game . Would not it be possible for those same people to test themselves once more ?

P.S. Before you post anything make sure you think absolutely outside of the current game mechanics .




Please show me the signatures of 10,000 people who are willing to fly to null to die horribly to accomplish nothing but broadcast they "captured" a system, in your own words.



Then tell us who would do this more than once.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-01-31 14:58:29 UTC
Kodavor wrote:

If systems could be captured instantly by completing an objective or two in that system.
Best regards
Kodavor .


Faction warfare timer camping. In FW you enter a ship restricted complex and run down a timer.

After a number of points are completed in the system the I-Hub goes vulnerable and can be attacked.

Perhaps something like this would be a better idea for capturing or defending null sovereignty.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#17 - 2014-01-31 15:01:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kodavor wrote:
Effort ? Time you say ? It's a game .
…that uses time and effort as its main currency and which provides meaning to anything. Removing that breaks things horribly.

Quote:
Would not it be possible for those same people to test themselves once more ?
What makes you think that they aren't already?

Quote:
What does this have to do with the proposed game mechanics idea ?
Your entire idea hinges on it all being worthless and pointless. He's pointing out the inherent hypocrisy or ignorance (or both) of your argument.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#18 - 2014-01-31 15:14:23 UTC
Kodavor wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
I'm not a null dweller but: How is your idea fair to those who have sov already and have had to grind to get that space...?

If you want null sec sov... Go take it...

Also, usually, like some wormholes, the unsov'd space is usually not owned because it has no strategic importance and no ISK benefits. Hence, worthless.

Edit: First question is a serious one...

Edit 2: Also, if only there was a whole subforum for FEATURES AND IDEAS!!!



Just deal with the change . People dealt with the Titan AoE DD changes . Then they deal with the Dread nerf changes . Just deal with it and adjust .Chose a system that would be most desirable for them and defend it .

In regards to your worthless systems ... it maybe be worthless for many pilots but it may hold a significance if someone simply wants to make his name heard even f it is by capturing a " useless " system .


Just deal with it hahaha okay, I'll deal with a mechanic that will never be implememted... Ever

And as I previously said... If you want a worthless system, go take it... You have the ability to do so now... Do it...

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-01-31 15:26:42 UTC
Oh. Did I mention already? It's not a solar system. It's a star system. There is only ONE solar system. The system of Sol. The sun. Our star. SHEESH CCP stop making people stupid. -.-

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Cheng Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-01-31 15:57:17 UTC
a 100 man fleet which random ships in it trying to attack nullsec. Hmm i think some 1 from CCP pulled that off once and the result wasnt pretty. At least not for the random fleet that got assembled.
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