EVE General Discussion

Hi-sec only provides a safe place for miners to mine the available ores unless they are caught in a war. Seriously, in all my years of living in stain, I have never seen a single mining operation ever. and this suprises me. I think there are only a few mining ops happening in Stain and this is something I wanted to change. I've seen veldspar rocks as big as stations, untouched.

It's actually a shame that the relations between miners and PVP'ers are tense. My message has always been about working together. We should try to look at it as a mining group attracts gankers, gankers attract real pvp'ers, and there you have it, fun pvp with a purpose.

The point to note here is that if no one works with me to secure this area then the ores will remain untouched, and most miners will think the only way to mine is in hi sec or deep in your alliance sov space.

Ratting loot is also worth lots. Note that its belt ratting loot not to be confused with loot from combat sites or sanctums. If I ratted for 4 hours per day and looted I could earn an easy 2 billion per week. This isk/per hour stuff is nonsense i tell you. There are lots of items that are worth up to 7 million that are mainly found in regular belt loot and the marketeers in jita will buy them from you immediately at a very high % of the value. I'm sure the big alliances even sell their belt loot in jita and make a huge earning and possibly use the isk to by shiny mods to fit their cap ships.

Hehe, owning -1.00 means belt ratting/looting is mandatory, they must get an officer spawn every 5 minutes.

Perhaps if CCP created a T2 version of the Venture mining frigate that had immunity to bubbles and a covert ops type cloak then people would chance their arm, but CCP would never do anything as sensible as that would they?

I have this vision of thousands of carebear T2 Ventures flooding through the bubbled choke points out intro those systems ignored by the large entities and like a shoal of fish mining their full and then screaming back, what joy that would bring to the few immersive players left in Eve, but alas it is not to be.... Alas all that will be left are meta gamers, power gamers and tear collectors, the question is who out of those will be the stronger, watch this space...

Don't stop half baked, please explain in full detail exactly how you would go about this and your target ores?

EDIT: Now that I have a chance to reply properly lets have some fun, lets just show how much of a stupid statement that was.

There is a long training before one can get into a Rorqual, much longer than a T2 Venture I would suggest, then we have the risk reward factor, a t2 Venture would of course cost about 20m say, based on covert ops. As compared to billions for a Rorqual.

Now lets take the next part, you would obviously have to get your cyno toons into position, but the next part, would you really jump a Rorqual into hostile sov space to go mining in their under-used systems, you won't be able to jump to stations, so in reality you would have to setup a POS as a base to jump to, but of course as soon as you do that sov holders get a nice warning mail and you should expect company very quickly. And of course the risk of jumping it in there and warping to the POS.

I am pretty sure that your throw away comment was an attempt to be smart, but it made you look like a complete fool, but lets go a bit further shall we, so you have your Rorqual in a POS in a under used sov system, you know that you are now flagged as having a POS, so you have a big come kill me sign there. Now what mining ships are you talking about, Skiff's, Hulks or Mac's, now you do know that Interceptors were changed recently, of course you do, that is why you no longer get easy gate camp kills, but now it is impossible to get your mining ships out in time at least in the sites, though you could take a risk and belt mine, but if its under used systems because of poor sov that nice expensive ore is not there. Oh dear, so its only worth using small fast ships isn't it?

So you are telling me, that in your view its better to go in with a Rorqual rather than a T2 Venture which had bubble immunity and a covert ops cloak, can I have what you are smoking please.

Dracvlad, before you go and try to be the leader of Hub Zero, may I kindly suggest that you spend more time on solutions rather than problems? Oh Wait - you quit Eve, I forgot.

Yep, I would agree with the cyno change.

If you give people the tools to go get the ore in low sec and 0.0 then CCP would be wise to make that adjustment, though I would be concerned that people in hisec would not do this, unless they set up a specific ninja mining toon.

Drama, how many alliances have folded due to drama, loads, drama often happens when you have a clash of ego, but the the bad blood from such events can be very deep. What you had was an old experienced player set up to introduce newer players to 0.0, he had a less aggressive approach to some who wanted to shoot all that came into system, it came to a head when they shot someone from CVA, there was a split and a lot of bitterness. The question you have to look at is whether that was a learning experience or not, now when I arrived Aaron was going through another set of difficult relationships, one of which created his nemesis Dalv who is a very good PvP'r. After that happened I spent a lot of time talking with Aaron and trying to work through that, you also have to understand that wacky backy was also involved ahem.... which he no longer uses.

At the end of it all however his first attempt worked very well, it introduced a effective group to 0.0, the second go I and a few others were developed from it, I had a great time, what you have to realize that it takes effort to work as a team from both sides. Now if those that had split from Aaron went off and done their own thing and moved on, no issue, but Eve is not like that, they set up nearby and went after him. So we ened up with a deep bitter conflict, also some of them took and now hold the system in which Aaron first did Hub Zero. Aaron moved to another area and you know what, some of them even came to the new area to hassle him, though they lost their ships to Stain Empire, LOL, so who is the unstable one?

I think Aaron's conflict with Happy Cartel is misguided, but as I am leaving Eve that is up to him, I get the impression he is having fun with a low level conflict over some losses he had in their area, the content is around that combat, for me I have no reason to shoot people who so far have only been able to shoot a cyno toon, which is below 900k SP and has a clone in a nearby station and uses an ibis, I think Aaron lost a Noctis, which is actually meaningful.

That thread is full of passion drama and egos, it is what makes Eve as a game, not a massive blue list, anyway enjoy the game , what you see of it...

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Why would anyone fly out to 0.0 (and of all the places in 0.0, Stain) to mine veldspar?

That's like trekking to the Antarctic so that you can work the same unskilled minimum wage job that you used to do back in the city.

A very good post, Stain has advantages and of course issues, being difficult to get to from hisec means that certain groups like the Russian Sov alliances around it use it as a playground, most of them are just hotdrop fanatics who hope you think them AFK, its rather sad, as you can see I have not had a single loss to them. So what we do not see is people roaming in from lowsec or hisec, but getting here can be a pain, WH's and carriers and Jump Freighters are needed. Then we have Happy Cartel who control the initial jumping in points of Stain and they get the kicks out of cyno popping, sad....

The issue is that I got fed up with Eve, I had reached a point in the game where I could not be bothered to do anything, also the only people I could fight were those that were setup to hot drop, my option was to grow my corp, however the meta game issues with Eve was not something I wanted to bother with so, that is not an option. So as I was leaving Eve Aaron obviously thought it would not be possible at this time without me, however he still wants to do it.

For met, the game has evolved on from the time that Hub Zero worked, there are less new players and what there is either end up being hisec and those that want more get scooped up by certain major alliances, where the call of SRP binds them, this means that this segment of people for NPC 0.0 is virtually non-existent, and this was the target for Aaron and me. So what is left, people who have a ISK generating alt doing exploration and old bitter long term players that are not interested in working together, hardly the material to create a group of people. So from that I realised that certain things in the game needed to change, but I cannot see anything from CCP that indicated that it would. I intend to keep my accounts and may be back if certain things change and create a new dynamic in the game.

But just because I feel it will not work, does not mean that it will not, but the cards are certainly stacked against it.