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Pros/cons of each blocakde runner ?

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Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-29 20:39:15 UTC
I've decided that I should train for blockade runners. What are the pros/cons of choosing one races blockade runner over another ?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2014-01-29 20:45:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
prowler - two highslots, most agile (i think), best for w-space because of two highslots. Inferior any time you would not need a second highslot. Only marauder BR that cannot fit 10k m3 (or so i've heard).

crane - the shield tankiest. Lack of lowslots means lack of versatility in the most important attributes, agility/speed/wcs vs cargo. Probably inferior.

amarr one - most lowslots. Bueno.

viator - Its pretty versatile, 3 lows 3 mids. Agile, etc. Armor tank bonus is a negative. Being gallente is a positive.

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Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#3 - 2014-01-29 21:03:30 UTC
Viator hauls more than 10,000 m3 fully cargo fit, and 5000m3 and 10000 m3 loads exist that can either not fit in some BRs, or not fit into 1 trip.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2014-01-29 21:08:17 UTC
Batelle wrote:
prowler - two highslots, most agile (i think), best for w-space because of two highslots. Inferior any time you would not need a second highslot. Only marauder that cannot fit 10k m3 (or so i've heard).

crane - the shield tankiest. Lack of lowslots means lack of versatility in the most important attributes, agility/speed/wcs vs cargo. Probably inferior.

amarr one - most lowslots. Bueno.

viator - Its pretty versatile, 3 lows 3 mids. Agile, etc. Armor tank bonus is a negative. Being gallente is a positive.


That's the long and short of it. Prowler is good if you want that second high for a probe launcher -- or, in fringe cases people sometimes bring up for some reason, a covops cyno. It won't hit 10k m3 no matter what; this matters because it's how much room a packaged cruiser takes up. Prowler also has potentially minuscule align time when you rig/fit for it, which means it's easiest to get away from decloaking camps, out of bubbles, off stations where you don't have undock bookmarks, etc.

Crane needs T2 rigs to hit 10k m3, which is somewhat annoying as a needless expense. Obviously it shield tanks but has a whopping EM hole that needs to be filled.

Prorator has the largest cargo fully expanded, but if you drop a cargo expander for a suitcase it falls behind the Viator similarly fitted. Two mids mean you don't have as much room for a shield tank + MWD; you more or less have to plug your EM hole just in case you run into a serious smartbomb attempt.

Viator is almost as large as the Prorator fully expanded, larger when you drop one low for a suitcase. Three mids give you more tanking options should you want/need them. It's the one I prefer for the most part, though I make liberal use of Prorators as well. I've never had a use for a Prowler really; I don't haul in wormholes and I know the systems I deal with regularly. And the Crane? Worst of all possible worlds as far as I'm concerned.

None of them hit 10k m3 cubed without rigs; either the Prorator or the Viator do it with T1 rigs.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#5 - 2014-01-29 21:22:14 UTC
Jester's Trek has a good article on blockade runners that reiterates some of the above information plus gives fitting suggestions.
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#6 - 2014-01-30 12:42:38 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Jester's Trek has a good article on blockade runners that reiterates some of the above information plus gives fitting suggestions.


You refer to this one: Jester's Trek - Blockade Runners. Definitely worth reading, I used this as a basis for my high sec prowler fit.
Sentenced 1989
#7 - 2014-01-30 13:42:55 UTC
Prowler would be my choice due to cloak + cyno option.

Makes a very nice fuel truck that can get you out of some situations, not to mention that its nice to have cyno on it so you can always get your blops back to the fuel truck.

Also, if you are in wormholes, covops + probes is very nice in case you get stuck in a hole, you can always find your way out.

Other then that, I've used both the Viator and Crane, and I do believe that differences among them are neglible in most cases, so unless you need 2 highslots, its pretty much the same.

What you can do it go to EFT and see for yourself which has faster align time, which has biggest cargo and which has best tank and pick according to priorities on those values.
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#8 - 2014-01-30 15:33:23 UTC
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Jester's Trek has a good article on blockade runners that reiterates some of the above information plus gives fitting suggestions.


You refer to this one: Jester's Trek - Blockade Runners. Definitely worth reading, I used this as a basis for my high sec prowler fit.


Sorry but high sec prowler fit? Am I missing something about high sec because why would you need prowler in high sec? (No bashing just curious).
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-01-30 16:47:55 UTC
Demica Diaz wrote:
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Jester's Trek has a good article on blockade runners that reiterates some of the above information plus gives fitting suggestions.


You refer to this one: Jester's Trek - Blockade Runners. Definitely worth reading, I used this as a basis for my high sec prowler fit.


Sorry but high sec prowler fit? Am I missing something about high sec because why would you need prowler in high sec? (No bashing just curious).


Something with decent capacity, cargo scan immunity, cloaking device, good agility, and better warp speed than anything short of a covops or an interceptor? It's not strictly necessary for hisec cargo running, but for loads between one and ten thousand cubic meters, once you've tried it, you'll consider it the only way to fly.

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Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2014-01-30 16:59:54 UTC
Demica Diaz wrote:
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Jester's Trek has a good article on blockade runners that reiterates some of the above information plus gives fitting suggestions.


You refer to this one: Jester's Trek - Blockade Runners. Definitely worth reading, I used this as a basis for my high sec prowler fit.


Sorry but high sec prowler fit? Am I missing something about high sec because why would you need prowler in high sec? (No bashing just curious).


Go fill up your BR with a couple hundred mil and then run it from one major trade hub to another. Then do the same in an Itty V, you will then understand the difference.

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Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-01-30 19:02:50 UTC
Demica Diaz wrote:
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Jester's Trek has a good article on blockade runners that reiterates some of the above information plus gives fitting suggestions.


You refer to this one: Jester's Trek - Blockade Runners. Definitely worth reading, I used this as a basis for my high sec prowler fit.


Sorry but high sec prowler fit? Am I missing something about high sec because why would you need prowler in high sec? (No bashing just curious).


I'm in Minmatar FW. There are usually amarr pilots in Rens. Some LP items take up a lot of cargo space.
So it's easy enough for me to see why a blockade runner would be useful in high sec.

Though the main reason I'm training one is for an eventual more to W-Space. Which means Prowler.
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#12 - 2014-01-30 22:36:00 UTC
Alright, thanks for ansvers. I can and do fly prowler myself but mostly because I run it in low sec.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#13 - 2014-01-31 01:48:17 UTC
I'm really reluctant to use a BR in high-sec, because I'm worried it'll attract suicide gankers, to a much greater extent than visible-cargo ships. "He's using a BR, so he must be moving something really sweet. Let's go and gank him!"
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#14 - 2014-01-31 03:29:33 UTC
Salpad wrote:
I'm really reluctant to use a BR in high-sec, because I'm worried it'll attract suicide gankers, to a much greater extent than visible-cargo ships. "He's using a BR, so he must be moving something really sweet. Let's go and gank him!"


Unless you actually need more than 5-10k cargo per trip, it's a better option than a freighter in my view, especially better when moving high-value-low-weight items around trade hubs. The prorater for instance can align and warp in 5 and a half seconds right out of the box and tech 2 nanos can drop that down to 3 and a half. With a CovOps 2 handy, I can imagine it would be a prime choice if you absolutely must move assets under a wardec as well.

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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-01-31 10:22:22 UTC
Salpad wrote:
I'm really reluctant to use a BR in high-sec, because I'm worried it'll attract suicide gankers, to a much greater extent than visible-cargo ships. "He's using a BR, so he must be moving something really sweet. Let's go and gank him!"


There's that, but balance against it the fact that the BR might be returning in ballast from a hauling run, or might not be carrying valuable enough cargo to be worth the gank (people will use BRs for low-value cargo just because of the speed).

And it's not that easy to gank a BR with a good pilot - unless there's a lot of clutter at a stargate, the BR can be cloaked and away within two or three ticks, so it takes a specialized gang or a really specialized fit to pull off a gank. Forget how a T1 industrial moves; the BR aligns practically like a frigate, and in a race, nothing short of an interceptor or a covert ops scout will be able to keep pace.

You might be vulnerable on undocks from trade hubs such as Jita, or at trade-lane choke points like Niarja, but there are probably enough other targets out there that a BR might not be considered worth the effort. You can still get unlucky, but it's doubtful you'll be at the top of a for-profit suicide ganker's priority target list.

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Infiltrator2112
Untitled Goose Corporation
#16 - 2014-01-31 11:58:32 UTC
The second high-slot of the Prowler makes it a very good ship since it can fit a gun for SBU-Dropping.

Otherwise I would go for the Prorator because of the low-slots, the Viator is good too but I don't see many uses for those extra mid-slots, which is why the Crane is garbage.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-01-31 17:49:20 UTC
I'm going to play devils advocate here and just say pick the one you like the look of. Transport ships haven't going through the re-balancing yet, and if you pick one based on today's performance you're going to be disappointed when they nerf or buff something. If you pick what you like to look at you'll at least have that.
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#18 - 2014-02-01 11:52:56 UTC
Demica Diaz wrote:
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Jester's Trek has a good article on blockade runners that reiterates some of the above information plus gives fitting suggestions.


You refer to this one: Jester's Trek - Blockade Runners. Definitely worth reading, I used this as a basis for my high sec prowler fit.


Sorry but high sec prowler fit? Am I missing something about high sec because why would you need prowler in high sec? (No bashing just curious).


About what the above posters said. It's faster than a freighter/orca, has a decent cargo hold for smaller hauling trips, it's immune to cargo scanners, and due to the cloak, you're relatively safe. I usually use it for small, but more valuable cargo, like exploration loot. I feel safer using a BR instead of a T1 industrial, have lost enough of them to gankers in the past, learned my lesson.
Oxide Ammar
#19 - 2014-02-02 11:59:11 UTC
Salpad wrote:
I'm really reluctant to use a BR in high-sec, because I'm worried it'll attract suicide gankers, to a much greater extent than visible-cargo ships. "He's using a BR, so he must be moving something really sweet. Let's go and gank him!"


It doesn't mean that you are flying BR in high sec that you are gonna auto pilot it because it's immune to scanning, yea it's one of the pros of BR ofc but the ability to use cov ops cloak is the biggest advantage. Warping from gate to gate (in hi sec) cloaked giving almost zero chance to potential gankers to target you and scram you is the +1 to BR.

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#20 - 2014-02-02 17:52:10 UTC
My hauling alt will use the Occator in high sec. I can move 30-38k m^3 depending on how I fit it and have 32-40k ehp - again depending on fit. I'll move my supplies up to the last high sec system before low. I'll then use a Viator to run the goods the rest of the way. High sec hauling is the only thing the deep space transports are good for anyways.
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