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Tier 2 Destroyers?

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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-11-25 20:03:16 UTC
I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees a parallel between destroyers and battlecruisers.
They both use a non-racial skill, they both are intermediate sizes between sizes for which there is a racial ship skill, and they use the racial skill corresponding to the smaller shipclass they are intermediate to.

In general, BCs are pretty good at killing cruisers, but lose to battleships. In generla destroyers are good at killing frigates, but lose to cruisers.

BC have 2 tiers (soon to be 3), so why can't we have a 2nd destroyer tier?
Just model them off the BCs:

For example:

Gallente BCs: 1 blaster/hybridboat, 1 droneboat
Gallente Destroyer: 1 blaster/hybridboat lets add a destroyer class droneboat with a 50m3 drone bay and a bonus to drones (or perhaps a 25m3 drone bay and the Ishkur bonus of +5m3 drone capacity per level, and a hybrid falloff bonus

Caldari BC: 1 optimal bonused hybrid boat, 1 missileboat
Caldari Destroyer: 1 optimal bonuses hybrid boat (7 turret, 1 launcher)
Add a destroyer missile boat, 7 missile launchers 1 turret, 50% missile velocity bonus, 25% missile ROF penalty, 5% light missile and rocket damage bonus

Minmatar BC: 1 gank/all turret bonus (hurricane), 1 active tank BC
Destroyer: currently all turret bonused.
Add a destroyer lacking either the tracking or damage bonus, add a shield boost bonus (although I don't see this being very useful, as I don't like active tank bonuses, maybe a 5% per level speed bonus would be more fitting of a minmatar ship)

Amarr BCs: 1 tank, 1 gank
Destroyer, currently gank
Take away a gun bonus, add a 5% armor resist bonus per level


Tier 3 BCs coming with oversized weapons.....
Add a tier 3 destroyer with medium gunsWhat?

Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-11-25 20:05:02 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees a parallel between destroyers and battlecruisers.
They both use a non-racial skill, they both are intermediate sizes between sizes for which there is a racial ship skill, and they use the racial skill corresponding to the smaller shipclass they are intermediate to.

In general, BCs are pretty good at killing cruisers, but lose to battleships. In generla destroyers are good at killing frigates, but lose to cruisers.

BC have 2 tiers (soon to be 3), so why can't we have a 2nd destroyer tier?
Just model them off the BCs:

For example:

Gallente BCs: 1 blaster/hybridboat, 1 droneboat
Gallente Destroyer: 1 blaster/hybridboat lets add a destroyer class droneboat with a 50m3 drone bay and a bonus to drones (or perhaps a 25m3 drone bay and the Ishkur bonus of +5m3 drone capacity per level, and a hybrid falloff bonus

Caldari BC: 1 optimal bonused hybrid boat, 1 missileboat
Caldari Destroyer: 1 optimal bonuses hybrid boat (7 turret, 1 launcher)
Add a destroyer missile boat, 7 missile launchers 1 turret, 50% missile velocity bonus, 25% missile ROF penalty, 5% light missile and rocket damage bonus

Minmatar BC: 1 gank/all turret bonus (hurricane), 1 active tank BC
Destroyer: currently all turret bonused.
Add a destroyer lacking either the tracking or damage bonus, add a shield boost bonus (although I don't see this being very useful, as I don't like active tank bonuses, maybe a 5% per level speed bonus would be more fitting of a minmatar ship)

Amarr BCs: 1 tank, 1 gank
Destroyer, currently gank
Take away a gun bonus, add a 5% armor resist bonus per level


Tier 3 BCs coming with oversized weapons.....
Add a tier 3 destroyer with medium gunsWhat?




I want a battleship with capital guns !!

Mephice
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-25 20:19:31 UTC
Those are good ideas in a sense. I believe that there should be a lot more ships in the game but I think that between the tier of a ship the advantages should be marginal or pointed to a specific task that would balance their individual power. But the tec level of a ship should determine the clear superiority. I would like to see no less than 3 tier or any ship at each tec level. I think would complex dynamics and provide a dramatically more unique experience day by day.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-11-25 20:38:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Gaines
The coercer is already a missile based destroyer.

I don't want a Tier 2 destroyer, I want a T2 destroyer.

give it nice resists, a tiny sig radius, and scan res bonus.

I want it to be able to hunt down bombers.

oh... and have it able to fit 3 compact citadel torps. For caps. Yummy.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.

Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-25 20:42:47 UTC
Are you high?
The "coercer" is a laser boat.

The "cormorant" has 1 missile launcher, with no bonuses. The only other destroyer that can fit a missile launcher is the thrasher - again 1 unbonused launcher..
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-11-25 20:56:26 UTC
How about making the caldari one a light missile boat and the amarr one a rocket boat? 5% armor resist and rocket RoF bonus per level?
since a destroyer with a tank bonus but no gank bonus would be pretty useless I think it should be more like the HAM Prophecy/Maller that I've seen proposed countless times and that a lot of people would like to see (me included).
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-25 21:36:55 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Are you high?
The "coercer" is a laser boat.

The "cormorant" has 1 missile launcher, with no bonuses. The only other destroyer that can fit a missile launcher is the thrasher - again 1 unbonused launcher..

Sorry, I've been flying a heretic so long I forgot they have the t1 turrets and the dictor as a missile boat. (6/4)

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.

SGT FUNYOUN
Elysian Space Navy - 1st Fleet
#8 - 2011-11-25 22:24:25 UTC
H8FilledVoid
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-11-26 05:23:32 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
The coercer is already a missile based destroyer.

I don't want a Tier 2 destroyer, I want a T2 destroyer.

give it nice resists, a tiny sig radius, and scan res bonus.

I want it to be able to hunt down bombers.

oh... and have it able to fit 3 compact citadel torps. For caps. Yummy.


I absolutely agree that there is something seriously lacking with the destroyer class ships. The interdictors aren't really a destroyer at all.

I love the sig radious and scan res bonus suggested here!
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-11-26 16:48:33 UTC
I also agree that we could use some T2 destroyers with a combat focus, rather than just a platform to drop bubbles to stop warps.

We've got "Assault Frigates", for T2, we could have "Assault Destroyers"?
Simply more gank and more tank than the T1 Destroyers.


Still, I would like to see more than one type of T1 destroyer per race.