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Maybe it is time for Low sec without supers?

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Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#141 - 2011-11-25 15:40:49 UTC
i got to admit. I am rather mixed about supers in low sec.
i do feel that they do not belong in low sec and are too strong there but at the same time i dont see how they can move then to other parts of space specially if you are gonna do some kind of invasion.
to tell you the truth, i am not even sure if you restict super to 0.1 and 0.2, would that allow them to get to any 0.0 region within in eve? If so, then this could be an option.....
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#142 - 2011-11-25 16:43:38 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
i got to admit. I am rather mixed about supers in low sec.
i do feel that they do not belong in low sec and are too strong there but at the same time i dont see how they can move then to other parts of space specially if you are gonna do some kind of invasion.
to tell you the truth, i am not even sure if you restict super to 0.1 and 0.2, would that allow them to get to any 0.0 region within in eve? If so, then this could be an option.....



I think if this option were introduced, CCP would have to tweak the sec status for lots of low sec, but I don't see any real issue with that.
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proxwar
Doomheim
#143 - 2011-11-25 17:33:27 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
i got to admit. I am rather mixed about supers in low sec.
i do feel that they do not belong in low sec and are too strong there but at the same time i dont see how they can move then to other parts of space specially if you are gonna do some kind of invasion.
to tell you the truth, i am not even sure if you restict super to 0.1 and 0.2, would that allow them to get to any 0.0 region within in eve? If so, then this could be an option.....



Good point, i can only suggest the alternative of allowing supers into lowsec for relocation ect, but when they do enter low sec, all high/mid slots are disabled until they return to null?
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#144 - 2011-11-25 17:42:15 UTC
Would need to be High slots and drone-bay only or you end up penalizing shield supers .. however few there may be.
proxwar
Doomheim
#145 - 2011-11-25 17:48:49 UTC
Sorry yes, i didnt explain myself very well.

Mids of course yes, for shield purposes ect, but as you said, drone bay plus high slots disabled while travelling low.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#146 - 2011-11-25 17:52:33 UTC
Zaratustra wrote:


Give us reasons why this would be bad, PL. Real reasons. Any elitist attitudes will invalidate your argument.



If you can't move supers through lowsec you essentially restrict all movement in EVE as everything would have to re route through 0.0, half of which is permanently cyno jammed.

Othran wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I can see the attraction and understand why you think this is needed, but I just don't like it.


Why?

My viewpoint on this is that if you can build them in lowsec (yeah yeah stop laughing at the back) then you can use them there. I don't care whether its supers or whatever, the point is that they shouldn't be there if you can't build them there. Its unbalanced to say the very least - just like carriers in high-sec would be now.

Now people can go trolling us "pubbies" but the bottom line is that its bollox for gameplay in low-sec, and you all know it is.

I don't mind getting hot-dropped but when you see some of the stuff that is getting dropped by supers before the nerf happens then its laughable. There's no other word for it.

Make the playing field level - ships that can be used in low-sec Empire can be built there. Then there might be some better fights. Or not. I suspect not but I'm cynical to say the least.


IDGI, there are high sec carriers and dreads, so your idea is flawed from teh start, also your last line, level the playing field....do you realize what game you're playing? EVE is all about making the playing field as unlevel as possible for the other guy.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#147 - 2011-11-25 18:38:44 UTC
Grath has a point about cyno bolocked systems in 0.0, althought i must admit, people dont cyno block as much as before a couple of years back cos its too expensive.

The alternative would be to criple somehow supercaps ability to spider tank. or getting remote repping simply cos they are too strong for low sec. But even this troubles me. Disabling high slots also troubles me.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#148 - 2011-11-25 19:12:37 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
If you can't move supers through lowsec you essentially restrict all movement in EVE as everything would have to re route through 0.0, half of which is permanently cyno jammed.

Aye, gonna be a pain and a half to move anything if null was only option.

Kind of like the idea of restricting supers to 0.1-0.2 and then having CCP manually tweak to create corridors with those ratings to create Eve equivalents to Panama/Suez and the two Horns for transit.
Depending on what else is done to limit projection that might just provide a defensive buffer where a SteamRollee can waylay a paintrain and dismantle it before it reaches the 'burps .. if nothing else, will give the spies something to do when they no longer have POS PW's to extract Big smile
Grath Telkin wrote:
IDGI, there are high sec carriers and dreads, so your idea is flawed from teh start, also your last line, level the playing field....do you realize what game you're playing? EVE is all about making the playing field as unlevel as possible for the other guy.

No there really are not any capitals in high-sec, the second they actually do anything remotely associated with being fat-asses they are kicked out permanently .. they are for all intents and purposes museum pieces nothing more.
As for upsetting the balance on the field, wouldn't Eve be better off if that was done by superior tactics, leadership and general combat prowess rather than 'whomever has gamed the system the most/used the most bots wins' which is pretty much what supers represent.
Marz Ghola
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2011-11-25 19:44:00 UTC

i was at the ccp turkey shoot. I hope ccp is happy they provided plex to large/rich null alliances Lol and I also hope they thoroughly enjoyed getting hosed by super-caps the way we have in faction wars.

if you need to move ur uber-gay ships through low sec, then ccp should change a couple lines of code to have no mod activation in low sec. You can then enjoy flying your super-cap freighter in low sec.Lol
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#150 - 2011-11-25 19:46:04 UTC
To be wacky, I'd say that an alliance must have a pos in a low sec system to move a super through, otherwise no gates for you!

ok have fun
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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2011-11-26 00:19:28 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Zaratustra wrote:


Give us reasons why this would be bad, PL. Real reasons. Any elitist attitudes will invalidate your argument.



If you can't move supers through lowsec you essentially restrict all movement in EVE as everything would have to re route through 0.0, half of which is permanently cyno jammed.


A couple pages back I asked about where these nullsec pockets came into being. Now you come out and say it's due to cyno jammers.

So what you are saying is that the nullsec super ships would actually need to start nullsec wars to clear cyno jammers out of the way in many systems so they could move?

And this is a bad thing to push onto nullsec? - wars due to traffic issues?!?

This sounds more like a solid argument FOR locking them out so those who hold them will finally start using them in SOV space to clear traffic routes.
Blast x
Doomheim
#152 - 2011-11-26 06:54:26 UTC
how bout macking empire 25% of its actual size , rest changed into lowsec , incursion payout should be 30% ,incursion npc way more powerfull , missions should pay 50% less

wardeccs should be on a 3-6h timer before agressions , isk spent on them should be less with no/minimal penalty to multiple deccs

you shouldent be able to dock witin 5min of agressing - if you engage into battle then battle is what you should do ..not station games

\o/ - then feel free to take of supers form lowsec / nullsec / wateversec





Oggat
The Adam's Family
#153 - 2011-11-26 07:06:29 UTC
I agree with the OP. Make all space null sec.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#154 - 2011-11-26 12:27:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Its not hard guys, remove fighter bombers from low-sec. Everything else stays the same (EDIT - apart from the upcoming changes which i endorse). While they are in transit through low sec they use fighters, on arriving back in null, swap out to fighter bombers.

That leaves their presence in low-sec as highly buffered combat (non-triage) carriers with 3x the dps of a thanatos. 3x is still a huge leap over the class below (due to number of fighters it can field).

Sure this will still not address the RR mom blobs as such but it might further loosen the choke hold that null-sec alliances have on low-sec capital use of carriers for logistics or dreads for pos bashing. Particularly with the other changes, they might lose a super, which is the whole point after all right? ;)
OninoTimmo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2011-11-26 17:24:57 UTC
the whine from low-sec pubbies is great

keep it up, I'm enjoying the tears
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#156 - 2011-11-26 20:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Weiland Taur
Ecky X wrote:

The fact is without lowsec accessibility, capitals would be trapped in pockets of space.

Deal with it.



It would be interesting if supers could move through losec but were unable to operate any offensive systems. That would reinforce the need for support craft to protect them and induce a greater target for roaming gangs of subcapital ships.
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2011-11-26 22:02:54 UTC
How about EVE without supers? I like that idea a lot.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#158 - 2011-11-26 22:49:57 UTC
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
How about EVE without supers? I like that idea a lot.


This.


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Mag's
Azn Empire
#159 - 2011-11-26 23:40:21 UTC
OninoTimmo wrote:
the whine from low-sec pubbies is great

keep it up, I'm enjoying the tears
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