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What would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec?

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ashley Eoner
#1681 - 2014-01-30 21:23:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Faction standing isn't the issue. The big issue is your standing with the agent can't reach below -2 or you won't get missions even if your faction/corp standing is 10.

I didn't know it worked that way till I lost my level 4 missions because I was too serious about blitzing and I didn't think I was in danger since my faction and corp standing were well above 5.00.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#1682 - 2014-01-30 21:26:38 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

This is what they do...... close their eyes stick their fingers in their ears and go nah...nnnnaaaahhh......naaah because they dont like or agree with your post, and will continue to troll till it becomes locked.

So the bottom line here is CCP nerfed null-sec income because they felt it was needed.

Dont have to like it or agree with it so either accept it or unsub.

Its just THAT simple


A refreshingly stale argument "CCP did it so it was right!"

CCP also did Incarna and it nearly killed the game, try again.


Where did I say it it was right or wrong? Its not a question of right or wrong. It is what it is. I have toons in null sec as well.

I know you and those like you are use to getting your way via your meta game and crying on the forums etc...but sorry you dont seem to have gotten your way this time.

Either adapt or get the hell out my game. You are keeping the floor wet with your constant crying over not getting what you wanted.
ashley Eoner
#1683 - 2014-01-30 21:32:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:


What you're listing is income after spending billions of isk and MANY months of skill queu. Your average high sec dweller makes nowhere near that much. Your optimal situations with bright shiny ships and extremely well skilled characters are extremely limited. Even more so then the earlier sites posted by the goon making billions in a day.


We do have those shiny ships and we do put in the research and we have the SP. There is near no downtime in getting LP goods to market. The problem is that the people from null sec are earning more isk in high sec than in null and are thus choosing to do their isk making in high sec. This is not working as intended.

Of course you have those shiny ships because you've spent years raking in the isk and building up skill points. There is downtime in moving LP goods to market and ignoring that is being dishonest. You seem to think you're allowed to take the highsec exception as the rule but you get mad when people do the same when referring to nullsec. Facts are in optimal situations you can make far more in null or WH then highsec.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#1684 - 2014-01-30 21:33:26 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Batelle wrote:

If you're at 9.0 standings or something, you will not make it up with storylines. It will trend down because of the way standings work. If all you care about is staying over 5.0, then its fine, but if you want to maintain 9.0 standings or higher, you had better not decline very much at all.


Sisters of Eve (Corp) - 10.00
Servant Sisters of Eve (Faction) - 8.82


okay? The way standings works applies to both, naturally the corp standing isn't a concern as it goes up with every mission. I was referring specifically to keeping your faction standings high with storylines.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#1685 - 2014-01-30 21:37:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
ashley Eoner wrote:

Of course you have those shiny ships because you've spent years raking in the isk and building up skill points. There is downtime in moving LP goods to market and ignoring that is being dishonest. You seem to think you're allowed to take the highsec exception as the rule but you get mad when people do the same when referring to nullsec. Facts are in optimal situations you can make far more in null or WH then highsec.


LP conversion research can be done with software tools and a sanity check. Moving stuff around takes time, but isn't a big deal if you only cash out LP once every 1-2 months or something. Many people go longer. You cannot seriously be comparing the difficulty of converting LP to the relative downsides of nullsec. In nullsec the primary activity can be disrupted very easily, in hisec, you will not be bothered, because you don't need to fly gankbait to blitz missions.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1686 - 2014-01-30 21:40:47 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:

That's good. Keep invoking Incarna every time CCP does something you don't like.

We'll have numbers from HS this weekend.


So you're going to assert that CCP hasn't made decisions to the detriment of the game or in other words made mistakes?

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1687 - 2014-01-30 21:42:14 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
This weekend I am going to go to Lannxsi as Jenn aSide has suggested and run L4 missions for 4 hours. If Jenn aSide would be kind enough to give me suggestions about which missions to decline and which ones to actually blitz so that I can maximize this amount I would be grateful. It will make for a more accurate comparison I think. I believe the current claim is that one can make 150-180m per hour.

Keep in mind that declining multiple missions at a time lowers standing, potentially (eventually?) locking you out from using these agents and thus, voiding the claim of 'sustainability'.


My standing with SOE is 10.00. Not overly concerned about it but I guess I'll defer to Jenn on how often I can decline. Can I go by the 4 hour clock or another clock?


The standings hit for repeatedly declining missions is trivial. You'll make it up with the story lines you do so much more frequently now that you're blitzing missions. In each group of 16 missions you'll be able to decline 3-8 depending on whether you get mats for war or something actually worth running (standings-wise).

I wasn't aware storyline missions boosted corp standings. Maybe it's changed somewhere along the line or I'm flat out mistaken. But I'll check just to make sure.

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ashley Eoner
#1688 - 2014-01-30 21:42:49 UTC
Batelle wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:

Of course you have those shiny ships because you've spent years raking in the isk and building up skill points. There is downtime in moving LP goods to market and ignoring that is being dishonest. You seem to think you're allowed to take the highsec exception as the rule but you get mad when people do the same when referring to nullsec. Facts are in optimal situations you can make far more in null or WH then highsec.


LP conversion research can be done with software tools and a sanity check. Moving stuff around takes time, but isn't a big deal if you only cash out LP once every 1-2 months or something. Many people go longer. You cannot seriously be comparing the difficulty of converting LP to the relative downsides of nullsec.
If you cash out once a month or two you can easily have +5b in LP items sitting in your cargohold which does kind of make it a bit of a big deal since that's most of your effective income. I'm not comparing just stating that you need to factor in the time you spend looking for/using those tools, confirming data, transportation, time spent listing/dealing etc into your isk per hour estimates. Clearly there's similar considerations that need to be taken with various nullsec and WH activities too.
ashley Eoner
#1689 - 2014-01-30 21:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
This weekend I am going to go to Lannxsi as Jenn aSide has suggested and run L4 missions for 4 hours. If Jenn aSide would be kind enough to give me suggestions about which missions to decline and which ones to actually blitz so that I can maximize this amount I would be grateful. It will make for a more accurate comparison I think. I believe the current claim is that one can make 150-180m per hour.

Keep in mind that declining multiple missions at a time lowers standing, potentially (eventually?) locking you out from using these agents and thus, voiding the claim of 'sustainability'.


My standing with SOE is 10.00. Not overly concerned about it but I guess I'll defer to Jenn on how often I can decline. Can I go by the 4 hour clock or another clock?


The standings hit for repeatedly declining missions is trivial. You'll make it up with the story lines you do so much more frequently now that you're blitzing missions. In each group of 16 missions you'll be able to decline 3-8 depending on whether you get mats for war or something actually worth running (standings-wise).

I wasn't aware storyline missions boosted corp standings. Maybe it's changed somewhere along the line or I'm flat out mistaken. But I'll check just to make sure.
Mission giving faction and allied faction standing is boosted and enemy faction standing takes a hit.



EDIT : DERPDERP
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1690 - 2014-01-30 21:45:10 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
ashley Eoner wrote:
Corp and faction standing is boosted and enemy faction standing takes a hit.

Ah, ok. So I was mistaken. Thanks for the info o7.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1691 - 2014-01-30 21:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


Where did I say it it was right or wrong? Its not a question of right or wrong. It is what it is. I have toons in null sec as well.

I know you and those like you are use to getting your way via your meta game and crying on the forums etc...but sorry you dont seem to have gotten your way this time.

Either adapt or get the hell out my game. You are keeping the floor wet with your constant crying over not getting what you wanted.


So now that you've been caught its time to become pedantic and back peddle. Good to see quality highsec posters wandering about these days.

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ashley Eoner
#1692 - 2014-01-30 21:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Corp and faction standing is boosted and enemy faction standing takes a hit.

Ah, ok. So I was mistaken. Thanks for the info o7.
Citation

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Storyline_mission


Scroll down a bit.


Seems I am probably wrong. I must of gotten a boost from something I killed during the mission or something along those lines


EDIT : My apologies for the confusion..
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1693 - 2014-01-30 21:50:26 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


Where did I say it it was right or wrong? Its not a question of right or wrong. It is what it is. I have toons in null sec as well.

I know you and those like you are use to getting your way via your meta game and crying on the forums etc...but sorry you dont seem to have gotten your way this time.

Either adapt or get the hell out my game. You are keeping the floor wet with your constant crying over not getting what you wanted.


So now that you've been caught its time to become pedantic and back peddle. Good to see quality highsec posters wandering about these days.


Not that I really care one way or the other, but I find it interesting that you argue like my 13 year old daughter. Maybe you are her.

Okay honey, I'm going to check your laptop now and I better not find out you are posting here instead of being in class. There'll be hell to pay when you get home.

Mr Epeen Cool
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#1694 - 2014-01-30 21:54:02 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:

That's good. Keep invoking Incarna every time CCP does something you don't like.

We'll have numbers from HS this weekend.


So you're going to assert that CCP hasn't made decisions to the detriment of the game or in other words made mistakes?


Of course not. But to bring up Incarna every time something isn't going your way is straw man at best. No one is talking about Incarna and to keep bringing it up is just silly. If every decision CCP ever made was Incarna-invoking-worthy, you would not still be playing Eve, just like all the people whining about this most recent series of patches - "Incarna this, Incarna that". Holy ****! Everything that makes your game bad is Incarna all over again.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1695 - 2014-01-30 22:02:10 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:

Of course not. But to bring up Incarna every time something isn't going your way is straw man at best. No one is talking about Incarna and to keep bringing it up is just silly. If every decision CCP ever made was Incarna-invoking-worthy, you would not still be playing Eve, just like all the people whining about this most recent series of patches - "Incarna this, Incarna that". Holy ****! Everything that makes your game bad is Incarna all over again.


That highsec pubbie trotted out "CCP did it so it must be right," an old, tired and defeated argument. The incarna reference is evidence that CCP can and does make mistakes which is very relevant to the topic at hand. Leaving highsec horribly unbalanced like it is now is a mistake.

If you want it to not be mentioned then I suggest you encourage your fellow highsec posters not to trot out that argument. While your at it you can encourage them not to bring up these terrible arguments:

-If highsec is nerfed there will be mass unsubs,

-Its in CCPs financial interest to keep highsec better than nullsec so it can't be nerfed,

-Null is fine because you have blues,

-Nullsec is safer than highsec.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#1696 - 2014-01-30 22:08:13 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
[That highsec pubbie trotted out "CCP did it so it must be right," an old, tired and defeated argument. The incarna reference is evidence that CCP can and does make mistakes which is very relevant to the topic at hand. Leaving highsec horribly unbalanced like it is now is a mistake.


How long has this been a "mistake"?

Incarna is proof that CCP ****** up. It is not proof that they're continuing to **** up.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1697 - 2014-01-30 22:16:05 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:

How long has this been a "mistake"?

Incarna is proof that CCP ****** up. It is not proof that they're continuing to **** up.


Its proof that they can and do. Want more proof?

Faction Warfare, Aryth and co, repeatedly told CCP not to implement faction war as it was and they did not listen. So they abused the mechanic as they reported it to CCP to make ~3.5 trillion isk, then CCP decided it really was a problem and fixed it. Guess what, this occurred after Incarna so yeah they are continuing to make mistakes like all people do.

CCP does good work but, they occasionally screw up even when said problem is brought to their attention. That sounds a lot like the highsec problem we have now.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1698 - 2014-01-30 22:19:04 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
[That highsec pubbie trotted out "CCP did it so it must be right," an old, tired and defeated argument. The incarna reference is evidence that CCP can and does make mistakes which is very relevant to the topic at hand. Leaving highsec horribly unbalanced like it is now is a mistake.


How long has this been a "mistake"?

Incarna is proof that CCP ****** up. It is not proof that they're continuing to **** up.


It's proof that they're not infallible.

I rather doubt they have become infallible in the last few years either. The same people are still in charge and all.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#1699 - 2014-01-30 22:26:24 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
CCP does good work but, they occasionally screw up even when said problem is brought to their attention. That sounds a lot like the highsec problem we have now.


This is an old argument La Nariz. The whole nerf highsec discussion has been argued over and over again. What is being stated here, from where I am sitting at least, is that even with all the null residents slumming it in "Pubbieland" where the ISK just falls from trees for all of us "themepark risk-averse *******, CCP is missing a huge imbalance, Is that what is being postulated here?

I will do the Level 4 SOE missions this weekend for 4 hours. I will come back with the data and we can talk about it. Not Incarna but the data.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#1700 - 2014-01-30 22:28:42 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It's proof that they're not infallible.

I rather doubt they have become infallible in the last few years either. The same people are still in charge and all.


Jon Lander left. I think that's too bad. I liked the way he brought them back from the brink around Fanfest 2012. I think he did well to remind them what this game is about.

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