Wormholes

I'm with you on this.

Tbh it won't get any pvp opportunities out as far as i can see.
Ganking siterunners in < c3 will be harder sure, but you wouldn't call it pvp, would you?
>c3 ppl are takled anyways, so this might buy ppl some time to scramble some sort of defence fleet to save their buddies bearing, which will give you a fight you wouldn't have had otherwise.

As far as ganking escalation fleets.
You will pop out a wh that just spawned and locals havent put anything on, so why would you worry?
If they are silly and don't close their exits, again, they are tackled sieged and whatnot.

Since i dont really give a damn about any of the above, make them change it or not it's fine with me.
My two cents

Thanks Chitsa.

This needs to be removed form wspace asap. All it will do if it remains is reduce risk for people bearing. For those people saying it gives you a kill mail; I for one would rather have ships to kill not structures.

@ James: "unconvinced this needs to go" WTF?

I agree, at least then they wouldn't have the time to **** up FiS anymore

I think ganks count as PVP to those before suggesting otherwise--granted its not the only type anyone wants. Hell, fixing the market is PVP for that matter. EVE is PVP.

I'll be honest, End-of-Line moved to a C5/C5 recently for a few things: medium sized T3 brawls on wormholes, deeper chains to cloaky stalk in, the opportunity for wormhole capital PVP, better ISK than our C5/C4 from the static, and the ability to gank C5 escalation fleets.

I like making things explode--hell, I enjoy my own toys exploding if I get to kill others toys in the process (usually anyway...). I think this just means going into a hole and scouting will provide way less opportunities to tackle something nice.

Let's also remember, tackling something "nice" with a small group and then slowly killing it to give time for reinforcements to arrive is also a normal tactic for PVP. This also hurts that potential.

The ESS needs to go.

You sir, will not be getting my vote again...

Someone in CCP should lost their job already for another adding changes in gam,e without thinking about Wormholes and players inside...... Again... !!!

CCP + Quickly Fix = Wormhole Wobble Syndrome... I don't see them fixing it quick.

Making it so they can't be used to monitor jumps in and out of system via local is sufficient. Between that and the scan overlay you need an absolute minimum of effort to have effectively a local list that updates whenever someone jumps in from any hole.

They might make interesting warpin traps for POSes and planets and things, and while as a scout I'm not particularly fond of that I at least am willing to accept it. If you are scouting and don't check what you're about to warp to, you may as well be prepared to give away your presence from a standard can-and-bubble trap. If you can plant it on a hole, you have no warning and no way of avoiding giving away not only the fact that you jumped in but your name to everyone in system. That's not gameplay, that's the entire problem with local, and the reason I left for w-space in the first place.

The primary difference between this and a bubble + scout, for reference, is twofold. First, if you are using a scout, the scout has to be paying attention. If it broadcasts in local, only one person anywhere in the entire system needs to be paying attention. Second, they don't need to be paying attention the exact minute you jump in, it will log it in local for all to see, so I can walk away, come back whenever, and know that someone jumped in, and even more know exactly who that person is. There is no gameplay here, just free information that W-space is specifically NOT supposed to provide.

So, keep it away from WHs or kick it out of w-space entire, I don't care, but the current state is completely unacceptable.

Hey guys, just to let you know this is a bug and the team has a fix in the pipeline to be deployed as soon as possible.

We'll keep you updated.

Thank you CCP Fozzie.. We at the wormhole community appreciate your steadfast approach to this issue