Player Features and Ideas Discussion

AFK cloaky camping of systems needs to get looked at by eve Dev's. I know this has been brought up again and again, and there seems to be a steady stream of "solution" after "solution" but I can't seem to find any real CCP response to this player concern.

I am not advocating for a way to force cloaky ships out of a cloak, that mechanic would be crazy abused in PvP, and could totally devalue hot dropping, and other forms of stealth based PvP. But I would propose that there be some kind of popup that you would need to click after like 45 minutes, or perhaps that cloak modules are forced to take a single reactivation delay cycle sitting in space before they are manually reactivated (not allowing for this module to automatically turn back on is paramount to ending afk camping). This gives plenty of time to go take a crap, walk the dog, etc without any impact on actually playing the game, but it is short enough to dissuade people from logging in right after server up and leaving a pilot drifting in space 23/7 while cloaked and afk.

I know that some will say that this will just encourage botting, or that afk cloaky camping is "meta pvp" but look, if someone is botting then at least CCP has a chance to do something about that, and by leaving their toons afk in space 23/7 cloaked this isn't creating content, this isn't driving PvP, it is simply adding an annoyance.

I'm not against having to deal with neuts or reds or whatever in systems, I'm just tired of logging in and seeing the same person cloaky camping a system 23 hours a day. It's time for CCP to step up to the plate and at least respond, is this a mechanic they like to see? Something they want to encourage, or do they realize that this isn't adding content, this isn't driving PvP, this is simply enabling people to troll systems and alliances in null with no ability to counter it.

For there to exist a mechanic in Eve that lacks any counter...it just screams of an imbalance, an oversight by CCP.

1. AFK cloaky campers are just that. AFK. They can't shoot you.
2. If they're not AFK and are shooting you, you can fight back.

What's so difficult about this? If they have a bunch of friends on standby to gank you, why can't you have a bunch of friends on standby to shoot the people who want to shoot you?

Is it that unreasonable to require preparedness to counter preparedness?

Hmm, you seemed to be focused on AFK cloaky campers, when you seem to ignore the real threats: AFK docked in station and AFK POS nesters. These 2 kinds of people are also invulnerable to harm, but what makes these people dangerous is the fact that they can literally be in ANY ship (able to reship and undock/un-ass a POS bubble), whereas a cloaky camper can only be a few select hulls.

You also pointed out several other threads that already exist on the subject. Please post your ideas in one of the ungodly multitude of other AFK Cloaky threads, or the convieniently placed AFK CLOAKING COLLECTION THREAD. Please do you part, and help keep the New Topic button reserved for actual NEW TOPICS.

Someone sitting in a pos afk cloaked would fall into the same category, and being docked isn't the same thing. Apples to oranges comparison unsuccessful.






Again, the issue isn't that they're there in the first place, it's that they're there 23/7 afk. "We had our chance to get them when they got in the system" so they can sit there with impunity for the next 45 days? The logic isn't all that strong here...I'm NOT against cloaky people actively at their keyboards having the ability to do ANY of the things you're suggesting so long as they are sitting at their keyboards participating. None of that ability would change or be diminished with the changes that I feel should be implemented, it would only restrict a person's ability to do those things while afk.

If your argument is that they are doing PvE disruption, then by they are essentially botting as they're accomplishing their task while afk, although they're doing so without a third party program...

Not the same thing? Are you serious? Docked in station people can see local just as a cloaker can. At any point they can undock in any ship and WTFBBQ you. Docked players are COMPLETELY INVULNERABLE TO HARM, unlike a cloaked player. A cloaked player can be declaoked and destroyed, but you cannot forcibly undock and destroy a player. Yes, it is a VERY remote chance that you will uncloak a cloaker, but no matter how small a chance, its still one hundred billion times more likely than forcing someone to undock.

As for POS nesters, they are even more dangerous. Not only can they see local, but they can D-Scan and probe from within the forcefield! Now, they can reship to the appropriate ship and warp right on top of you! My god, that right there is more ******* scary than anything a AFK Cloaker can do!

AFK cloakers are harmless. They are 1) AFK and 2) cloaked. When you are AFK, you are away from keyboard, unable to input any commands AT ALL. You aren't even looking at the screen. Now, when you are cloaked, you cannot activate ANY offensive or defensive module AT ALL. If you combine the two, you have the most harmless thing in the universe..like a freaking baby bunny cuddly a baby duck.

As for the supposed AFK cloaker, are you sure hes even cloaked? I currently have 5 accounts with 5 noobships UNCLOAKED in 5 different systems slightly off grid from planets. These 5 accounts have yet to suffer 1 single loss. No one attempts to find them, ever. At any time I have 5 systems full of people afraid of the boogeyman completely shut down..with an unfit noobship.

Its not the AFK cloaker you are truly worried about, its your own fear of the unknown.

Ah, we get to the real heart of your issue! You feel the need to perceive safety in order to undock and continue with your life. News flash: Null sec is not safe, highsec isn't even safe, only safer. Eve online is a PvP game with some PvE thrown in as a distraction. The undock button carries with it a fine print consent to PvP no matter what area of space you dwell in. If you need to feel safe in your null system, then your issue isn't with the AFK cloaker at all, its with your system defense force! If your alliance wants to play in null, then it better be damn well prepared to protect its carebear members from all the harsh realities that nullsec can throw at them. If its not up to the task, its time to leave nullsec all together and move to highsec, at least there you will stand a chance with CONCORD's overwatch.

I would like to direct you to the very real threat of ATK uncloaked players. They have a much larger impact on the economy and recently destroyed 75 titans. They must be stopped before they ruin the long familiar safety and non-confrontational game we have come to know, love, and cherish.

*golfclap* Congratulations, you're an idiot. Go play in the sand with your toy trucks.





It was Richard who suggested the 2 hour timer, I replied and screwed up the nested quotes as I was replying to both you and him at the same time. I went up and fixed it. As far as having someone man your computer 23/7…that’s fine, if you have someone who can do that, power to you. No mechanic would be perfect and I’m not looking for one that is. I am simply looking for one that would further raise the difficulty for people to sit in a cloaked ship afk with no ability to catch them.

Again as I said up before, I’m not advocating for increased safety (they call it null sec for a reason no,) I am looking for an end to an abusive mechanic that doesn’t add any value to the game.

15 minutes. Every 15 minutes of mouse inactivity a user should be given a popup saying "Do you wish to stay logged in?", not responding within a minute results in auto-log off.

Not just when cloaked, POS'd up or docked -- enable it all the time.

Remember though, we are talking simple mouse move's in game here, not actually doing anything with a menu or module -- so no whining about 'I shouldn't have to do something every 15 minutes', just move your mouse in game a single pixel to reset the countdown.

Dont do this just to clean up server resources from afk tards, do it for the children.

i like it the way it is at the moment.