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Junior Federation Navy officers call for hammer blow against Caldari State.

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Muck Raker
Gutter Press
#1 - 2014-01-30 14:47:00 UTC
The recent battle in B-R5RB, with many capital ships involved, has drawn the attention of naval analysts across New Eden.

With hundreds of capital ships, and innumerable smaller space vessels taking part in the action, the amount of data about relative ship performance is vast, and is expected to shape ship design for years.

This has drawn the attention of many junior Federation Navy officers, who have called for a hammer blow to smash the Caldari State and force them into peace.

"There were no Caldari designed Titans involved at B-R5RB." said one shaven-headed Lieutenant. "That tells a lot about the performance of the Leviathan"

"As we saw at Luminaire VII, when the Shiigeru was shot down, the Leviathan has several weaknesses", said another officer. "While clearly the Erebus is superior, as you can tell with the numbers deployed at B-R5RB."

"The performance deficiency is something the Caldari will surely be looking to correct", said a third. "The Federation needs to do something before they close the gap, and the opportunity is lost"

Several officers have forwarded their suggestions to their Senators, a highly risky move, which could jeopardise their careers.

The most common suggestion is a "Decisive Action", involving the bulk of the Federation Navy capital fleet, to force the Caldari into action, and defeat them, compelling the State to sign a peace treaty to end the Militia War, which has now raged for several years, at great cost to both sides.

Rumours, Wars, Rumours of Wars, Wars of Rumours!

Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-01-30 15:06:34 UTC
Ah Muck Raker and the Gutter Press!

I love you guys... I was so worried about you when I thought the Black Eagles had kidnapped you!

So is the call for a general mobilization gone out yet? Has the Federal Senate called for an invasion of Caldari space??

I'm in!! All I need is a 'throwaway' Titan!

Actually, I don't need a Titan... I'd drive a used Amarr frigate if the mission was to rid the universe of the Caldari...

Cue Diana Kim... 3 - 2 - 1...

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-01-30 15:30:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Muck Raker wrote:
"There were no Caldari designed Titans involved at B-R5RB." said one shaven-headed Lieutenant. "That tells a lot about the performance of the Leviathan"

"As we saw at Luminaire VII, when the Shiigeru was shot down, the Leviathan has several weaknesses", said another officer. "While clearly the Erebus is superior, as you can tell with the numbers deployed at B-R5RB."


Ah, an illustrious military career beckons for these young people. In the merit-based military infrastructure of the Federation Navy, such vigorous jingoism and yes-manning will serve them well I'm sure.

Of course, the fact that Shaven-Headed Lieutenant is entirely wrong and that in fact Leviathans WERE on the field at B-R is besides the point. The reason none were destroyed is because the Leviathan is the most heavily defended Titan. I won't bore you with the technical numbers, but it's enough of a difference to mean that a well-prepared leviathan that's overheating its defensive modules can need up to five more doomsday shots to bring down than the next closest contender, the Avatar, and that's assuming that it's receiving no remote-repair.

Those five shots are better used in weakening a softer target, and as it happens the softest titan in terms of maximum defensive capability is.... the Erebus.

That's not to say the Erebus is a bad ship - quite the reverse, it's a damn good ship! Its sophisticated armoured warfare command override protocols and banks of tactical calculation arrays allow it to micromanage every ship in a 256-vessel fleet and give them an effective boost to the effectiveness and durability of their armour plating of up to 15%. That's an ability of great tactical utility, which is the other reason the Erebus saw so many losses - they combine being the easiest titan to destroy with a tactical asset that the enemy will want to neutralize ASAP.

I sense a bright future for Shaven-Headed Lieutenant. Good for you, young one! don't let troublesome little things like facts and reality get in the way, they'll only slow you down.

Another Officer has a similarly bright path laid out before him, I note. It's good to know that "vulnerable to sustained volleys of fire from hundreds of ships" is a design flaw and that the superior Gallentean design has eliminated the critical and moronic error the Caldari engineers made when they forgot to make the Leviathan-class invulnerable to all harm.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#4 - 2014-01-30 15:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
Overall I approve of your new look Muck Raker but, that purple lipstick has got to go!

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#5 - 2014-01-30 16:12:48 UTC
The future of the Federation Navy is of course, autonomous drone warships, with orders given by human officers.

And of course, failsafes, should the autonomous drone warship believe its commanding human officer to have been subverted by the Enemy. If the autonomous drone warship believes it has been given an order, and a human officer countermands that order, but is unable to establish the identity of that officer, then naturally, the autonomous drone warship should continue following the orders given.

After all, what could possibly go wrong... It's not like autonomous drone warships could fail to recognise legitimate human commanders and go and infest entire regions of space, now, is it ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-01-30 17:28:44 UTC
There were some Leviathans at B-R. Though, the reason for their lack of deaths is much more complicated than "they're hard to kill."
They are indeed hard to kill. In, fact, of all the ships a capsuleer can fly, the Leviathan is the most survivable. However, that alone is not why none were killed at B-R.
Lack of use by N3PL: I don't want to say that N3PL did not use any Leviathans, but that might very well have been the case. I know I did not see any N3PL Levis on the field. (Someone with more time and more caring can check the kill reports. I've already spent my time doing research for my own article, mostly for baseliners that have no idea what capsuleers do out here: The Largest Battle of All Time . More ships were destroyed at B-R than the Elder attack on the Empire.) If N3PL had used Levis, I can give you the Goon Guarantee that there would be dead Levis on the GSF kill boards. The CFC lost a comparatively 'only' 16 titans.
Target Prioritization: While the Levi is able to take the most about of damage and shrug it off, it also does the least. The Oblivion does a specific type of damage that other capital ship across the board are more capable to withstand. Furthermore, most capitals are armor tanked, so the Levi's bonuses, while nice, are not needed.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-01-30 17:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Granted, I oversimplified. Then again, if those jarheads that Muck Raker was interviewing are anything to go buy, I may not have oversimplified enough.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-01-30 17:50:21 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Granted, I oversimplified. Then again, if those jarheads that Muck Raker was interviewing are anything to go buy, I may not have oversimplified [ienough[/i].

Hahaha. I will concede that point.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#9 - 2014-01-30 18:15:01 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Overall I approve of your new look Muck Raker but, that purple lipstick has got to go!



Don't listen to her Muck! The purple lipstick is awesome!

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2014-01-30 18:32:19 UTC
In other news, senior Federation officers quietly switch the junior pots to decaff.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-30 18:34:16 UTC
I just read the link you posted Alizabeth Vea. You tailored it nicely for a wide audience and your use of graphics was very well done. Your access to first hand accounts makes it a must read that is absent in some of the others I have read.

Thanks for posting that and congratulations on your alliance win!

Mind you it was factually accurate, historically interesting and very professionally drafted... Not exactly gutter press material... but what the heck... those of us who enjoy Gutter Press will read pretty much anything!

Hey question for everyone... I heard a rumor that the the holoreel movie rights were sold to Impetus...

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Impetus_%28NPC_corporation%29

Can we get confirmation on whether that is true or not?

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-01-30 18:50:43 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
I just read the link you posted Alizabeth Vea. You tailored it nicely for a wide audience and your use of graphics was very well done. Your access to first hand accounts makes it a must read that is absent in some of the others I have read.

Thanks for posting that and congratulations on your alliance win!

Mind you it was factually accurate, historically interesting and very professionally drafted... Not exactly gutter press material... but what the heck... those of us who enjoy Gutter Press will read pretty much anything!

Hey question for everyone... I heard a rumor that the the holoreel movie rights were sold to Impetus...

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Impetus_%28NPC_corporation%29

Can we get confirmation on whether that is true or not?

I'm not sure who owned the rights to the battle?

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Johanes Beaumonte
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2014-01-30 19:18:46 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Sorjat wrote:
I just read the link you posted Alizabeth Vea. You tailored it nicely for a wide audience and your use of graphics was very well done. Your access to first hand accounts makes it a must read that is absent in some of the others I have read.

Thanks for posting that and congratulations on your alliance win!

Mind you it was factually accurate, historically interesting and very professionally drafted... Not exactly gutter press material... but what the heck... those of us who enjoy Gutter Press will read pretty much anything!

Hey question for everyone... I heard a rumor that the the holoreel movie rights were sold to Impetus...

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Impetus_%28NPC_corporation%29

Can we get confirmation on whether that is true or not?

I'm not sure who owned the rights to the battle?


Some fellow named Victor, I think. I heard that he gets to write history.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#14 - 2014-01-30 21:31:14 UTC
Delusional frogs?

Who'd have thought.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#15 - 2014-01-30 22:09:11 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Delusional frogs?

Who'd have thought.


Ribbit?

Morgan Wulver
SAYR Reserve Guard
SAYR Galactic
#16 - 2014-01-30 22:16:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Wulver
Sorjat wrote:
Ah Muck Raker and the Gutter Press!

I love you guys... I was so worried about you when I thought the Black Eagles had kidnapped you!

So is the call for a general mobilization gone out yet? Has the Federal Senate called for an invasion of Caldari space??

I'm in!! All I need is a 'throwaway' Titan!

Actually, I don't need a Titan... I'd drive a used Amarr frigate if the mission was to rid the universe of the Caldari...

Cue Diana Kim... 3 - 2 - 1...

Yes, by all means, route yourself around the natural chain of command and feel eager to act on hypothetical orders planned out by the youngest, most hotheaded, and least experienced officers the Federation has in the service!

Are you thick pilot? First of all, the hypothetical reports calls for forcing the militia into peace negotiations, not for the extermination of the Caldari State. Not only is that an unrealistic, extremist goal but it also is counter-intuitive to what your allies seek; an end to the war. Talk like your's however is exactly why this war is has perpetuated over generations of pilots.

Additionally, attempting to end the limited conflict is a fool's mission. The wars in Black Rise and the surround regions are the only bit of pressure relief our societies have prevent the two of us from clashing in all-out war. Moreover, the removal of the Protectorate or any large scale offensive by the Federation is exactly what leads to offensive action on the part of the State.

An offensive led by these children will not only fail, but it would only end up driving the State back into the arms of more hard-line factions and spark neo-Provist movements.

Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#17 - 2014-01-30 22:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Anatole Madullier wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Delusional frogs?

Who'd have thought.


Ribbit?

Meow?

Not sure what noise gelatinous marine creatures make, so I'll just go with the feline.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#18 - 2014-01-30 23:25:39 UTC
Gutter Press reports never cease to amaze & amuse me.

But I have to say, Alizabeth Vea's report on the Titan Battle proved to be very informative! An excellent report that anyone interested in large scale battles should read, to understand better what they mean at large and why supercap losses are so painful, both in manpower as in production.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2014-01-30 23:35:19 UTC
Morgan Wulver wrote:
Sorjat wrote:
Ah Muck Raker and the Gutter Press!

I love you guys... I was so worried about you when I thought the Black Eagles had kidnapped you!

So is the call for a general mobilization gone out yet? Has the Federal Senate called for an invasion of Caldari space??

I'm in!! All I need is a 'throwaway' Titan!

Actually, I don't need a Titan... I'd drive a used Amarr frigate if the mission was to rid the universe of the Caldari...

Cue Diana Kim... 3 - 2 - 1...

Yes, by all means, route yourself around the natural chain of command and feel eager to act on hypothetical orders planned out by the youngest, most hotheaded, and least experienced officers the Federation has in the service!

Are you thick pilot? First of all, the hypothetical reports calls for forcing the militia into peace negotiation, not for the extermination of the Caldari State. Not only is that an unrealistic, extremist goal but it also is counter-intuitive to what your allies seek; and end to the war. Talk like yours however is exactly why this war is has perpetuated over generations of pilots.

Additionally, attempting to end the limited conflict is a fool's mission. The wars in Black Rise and the surround regions are the only bit of pressure relief our societies have prevent the two of us from clashing in all-out war. Moreover, the removal of the Protectorate or any large scale offensive by the Federation is exactly what leads to offensive action on the part of the State.

An offensive led by these children will not only fail, but it would only end up driving the State back into the arms of more hard-line factions and spark neo-Provist movements.


It was a joke, Morgan. Gutter Press is known for drumming up sensational stories from questionable sources. Sorjat is just being sarcastic, is all.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#20 - 2014-01-31 00:13:36 UTC
This story isn't troubling.

What is troubling is the number of people who are actually taking it seriously.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

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