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Sentry drone nerf?

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2014-01-30 02:06:53 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
i didn't expect that these slow vulnerable ships with poor tracking guns and near inability to force or deny engagement were intended as suboptimal for solo work


Intended? No.

But that sure as hell has not stopped me. There are BS that can be utter monsters solo.

perhaps some people are more competent than others vOv

If he was competent at solo battleships he wouldn't have refused to take me up on my offer of a free fitted mega to get 5 solo kills in null and win 5 billion isk....

Talk is cheap.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#102 - 2014-01-30 02:10:16 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Not true since SP has to be directly deposited into skills.

And you make the choice of which skill gets the SP. CCP's only job is to provide you that choice. What you make of it (or fail to) is your business, and yours alone.

Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'm not a lawyer but I have studied tort law, I have certificates in law and am training to be a lawyer, bachelor of laws I do know roughly what I am talking about.

Everyone on the internet is a lawyer or legal expert and knows what they're talking about. Roll
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#103 - 2014-01-30 02:11:19 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Infinity Ziona wrote:

If he was competent at solo battleships he wouldn't have refused to take me up on my offer of a free fitted mega to get 5 solo kills in null and win 5 billion isk....

Talk is cheap.


Gimmy a kronos, thats a much better suited mega hull for solo work.


The best BS in my eyes is the raven line, they are the most adaptable BS going.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2014-01-30 02:16:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Not true since SP has to be directly deposited into skills.

And you make the choice of which skill gets the SP. CCP's only job is to provide you that choice. What you make of it (or fail to) is your business, and yours alone.

Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'm not a lawyer but I have studied tort law, I have certificates in law and am training to be a lawyer, bachelor of laws I do know roughly what I am talking about.

Everyone on the internet is a lawyer or legal expert and knows what they're talking about. Roll

I'm not a lawyer, I'm studying for my bachelor of laws though so yes I know a bit more than most.
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

If he was competent at solo battleships he wouldn't have refused to take me up on my offer of a free fitted mega to get 5 solo kills in null and win 5 billion isk....

Talk is cheap.


Gimmy a kronos, thats a much better suited mega hull for solo work.


The best BS in my eyes is the raven line, they are the most adaptable BS going.

Whats wrong with a mega?

Also you're wrong, the Kronos is not better at solo. The Kronos will attract a crapload of attention, while it might be better at active tanking, you'll end up stuck in place with a bunch of idiots nueting you and you dying faster than if you used a 6 gun 1 nuet plated mega.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#105 - 2014-01-30 02:25:11 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Whats wrong with a mega?

Also you're wrong, the Kronos is not better at solo. The Kronos will attract a crapload of attention, while it might be better at active tanking, you'll end up stuck in place with a bunch of idiots nueting you and you dying faster than if you used a 6 gun 1 nuet plated mega.


Mega is best in a small gang and up, its not a solo boat. The kronos is much better for solo work thanks to its bonuses, slots and warp speed.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2014-01-30 02:33:36 UTC
any battleship, baltec, any one you want. anything, you're just too cowardly to meet my challenge. go on, pick. no not that one. why won't you accept the challenge.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2014-01-30 02:50:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Whats wrong with a mega?

Also you're wrong, the Kronos is not better at solo. The Kronos will attract a crapload of attention, while it might be better at active tanking, you'll end up stuck in place with a bunch of idiots nueting you and you dying faster than if you used a 6 gun 1 nuet plated mega.


Mega is best in a small gang and up, its not a solo boat. The kronos is much better for solo work thanks to its bonuses, slots and warp speed.

Its not a solo boat but if you're suicidal its not bad. You will lose it but you'll take a lot of people with you. If you're going to solo the Mega is by far the best ship to use other than the Dominix but that's purely because of its ability to use drones and cost.

The Kronos is better for all solo, far better than Golem. Buffer armor fit, it gets +170k ehp , electron II's, duel web and neuts it can kill everything from inties to other battleships easily but its far too expensive because no matter what battleship based hull you use, you will die.

The Kronos is not a battleship, its a 1 billion isk battleship based marauder.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2014-01-30 02:58:00 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
The Kronos is not a battleship, its a 1 billion isk battleship based marauder.

Roll

well your ridiculous copout aside (noone's buying it, coward), this means that your battleship skills are not useless because they go towards marauders-aren't-battleship skills

enjoy
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#109 - 2014-01-30 03:00:24 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Also you're wrong, the Kronos is not better at solo. The Kronos will attract a crapload of attention, while it might be better at active tanking, you'll end up stuck in place with a bunch of idiots nueting you and you dying faster than if you used a 6 gun 1 nuet plated mega.


Marauder huge cargo bay + navy cap 800 + heavy cap booster = pretty damn resistant to small gang neuting.

Unless someone brings up a geddon or domi or refits in station to have a full rack of neuts, it isn't going to neut out particularly quickly, and it can even unbastion and mwd to chase stuff eat some buffer loss then bastion up again to fix the buffer because it has a fairly extravagant total cap budget.

and then when you finally run out of boosters, like any good solo, you undock the cyno alt and drop the carrier to save it.


baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#110 - 2014-01-30 03:01:30 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:



The Kronos is not a battleship, its a 1 billion isk battleship based marauder.


So its a battleship.


Incidentally, the golem is the best solo BS going as it is the most adaptable.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2014-01-30 03:08:02 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Also you're wrong, the Kronos is not better at solo. The Kronos will attract a crapload of attention, while it might be better at active tanking, you'll end up stuck in place with a bunch of idiots nueting you and you dying faster than if you used a 6 gun 1 nuet plated mega.


Marauder huge cargo bay + navy cap 800 + heavy cap booster = pretty damn resistant to small gang neuting.

Unless someone brings up a geddon or domi or refits in station to have a full rack of neuts, it isn't going to neut out particularly quickly, and it can even unbastion and mwd to chase stuff eat some buffer loss then bastion up again to fix the buffer because it has a fairly extravagant total cap budget.

and then when you finally run out of boosters, like any good solo, you undock the cyno alt and drop the carrier to save it.



You can't MWD when you're scrammed and even with lows full of expanders you'll never do enough damage to pop anything prepared before cap runs out. The existence of RR means any damage you do will be absorbed easily. Soloing doesn't involve cyno alts and carriers. Marauders might take a few members of a unprepared gang you run into but it won't take out a gang prepared to take you on and as soon as people hear you're around soloing in Marauder you're going to get prepared gangs on you.

Its suicide.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2014-01-30 03:09:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:



The Kronos is not a battleship, its a 1 billion isk battleship based marauder.


So its a battleship.


Incidentally, the golem is the best solo BS going as it is the most adaptable.

No its not. Missiles and speed tanking make it mediocre.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Terraniel Aurelius
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2014-01-30 03:13:47 UTC
I don't know what the hell marauders and megas have to do with sentry drones being completely useless now, but goddamnit ccp. You couldn't think of a different way of dealing with the goons complaining about slowcats? Do you hate the rattlesnake? Are gallente boats your red-headed step child? There must be a reason why a garde II with three fed navy omnis, using optimal range scripts can barely shoot far enough to avoid hitting itself in the balls.

I'm assuming your morals are compromised, or you are making decisions based purely on emotional responses, not anything rational, as that is the only reason I can come up with that you keep nerfing things instead of giving us newer, shinier toys to play with. STOP F-ING UP OUR SHIPS. If you want everything to be the same, delete everything except the drake, paint it 4 different colors and pretend like they are different ships. Is that your ideal solution? Because that's what all this "gameplay leveling" is amounting to. Then we can all quit, because it'll be real damn hard to pretend that you're actually trying to make things better.

/rant
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#114 - 2014-01-30 03:14:04 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

No its not. Missiles and speed tanking make it mediocre.


Use the correct missiles for the job at hand.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#115 - 2014-01-30 03:37:05 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You're obviously trolling I guess.
You're confusing me with you.

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Just a few examples of people training for things that are now useless.

Titan doomsday...
Solo battleships (solo anything bigger than cruiser really)
Torpedo's
OGB (soon to be nerfed)
Shield compensation skills
HLML
None of those are useless, no, and people who have trained for them still have full use of their skills. So again, when have this ever happened? The only two reinventions I can think of are Sov (not skill-based) and exploration (actually making skills worth more). Can you think of anything else where they've completely reinvented the game to the extent you're claiming?

Hint: if you try not using utterly hilarious hyperbole that is in every way completely disconnected from reality, you might stand a microscopic chance of having a point… but you can't and you won't so you don't.

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There is nothing wrong with balancing content however CCP does not balance content they change it dramatically and that imbalances something else which then becomes FotM. In time that FotM will catch the attention of CCP and they'll make some absurd change that invalidates the skillpoints people have invested making something else FotM.
Except that at no point is SP ever invalidated. If it is, it is reimbursed. Also, the only really “dramatic” change they've ever made as far as balance goes is tiercide… and it was hellagood because in that case, dramatic change was exactly what was called for.

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Take a look at the history of weapons lol. The age of missiles, the age of hybrids, the age of lazers, the age of projectiles... at each point instead of balance they screwed up 3 systems to make one system overpowered to the extend they were mandatory to train as a FotM wep.
Yes (actually, no, but I'll get to that in a bit)? And? Not only is complete balance impossible, it's undesirable and CCP have explicitly said that they strive towards constant imbalances to keep the playing field dynamic. So you plan for it. Luckily, doing so isn't particularly hard and if you plan correctly, you are unaffected by the FOTM because your skill set is never rendered useless.

Still, no, what you described has never actually happened. At each point, they've strived for a semblance of balance, often leaving most systems alone and buffing one to make it not abysmal any more. This has given it the very slight edge needed for something to become FotM. At no point has anything been “mandatory”. This is just more ignorant hyperbole on your part that only serves to completely discredit your own claims.

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EULA is irrelevant.
From a customer service point of view its bad.
Nope and nope, in roughly that order. The EULA explains to you what your relationship is with the devs. If you can't stand that, don't play. From a customer service point of view, this is good since the relationship is made quite clear. As it happens, that relationship offers no promises or guarantees for what you'll be able to do in x amount of time because that's entirely up to you and so far beyond the scope of what the EULA can ever decide.

From the same point of view, the constant changes are even better since they keep the game fresh.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2014-01-30 04:29:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
]Nope and nope, in roughly that order. The EULA explains to you what your relationship is with the devs. If you can't stand that, don't play. From a customer service point of view, this is good since the relationship is made quite clear. As it happens, that relationship offers no promises or guarantees for what you'll be able to do in x amount of time because that's entirely up to you and so far beyond the scope of what the EULA can ever decide.

From the same point of view, the constant changes are even better since they keep the game fresh.

There is so much wrong with everything you've said here its really not worthwhile to me to try to untangle all the fail and explain it. Mostly because it just won't sink in at all anyway. From experience you're the antithesis of logic or discussion. You believe you're own rubbish and that's basically what it is.

EULA's are as good as a post it note you stick on your fridge saying, anyone who opens this fridge gives me the right to kill them. They mean nothing as long as law prohibits the conduct or lack of conduct detailed for breaching an EULA clause.

They are the equivalent of rules that are only enforcable if no other law supercedes, where most laws do take precedence and make clauses in EULA's invalid.

That's about as much I'm going to teach you today. I suggest google EULA's and the law. Have a read.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#117 - 2014-01-30 04:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Infinity Ziona wrote:
There is so much wrong with everything you've said here its really not worthwhile to me to try to untangle all the fail and explain it.
In other words, you can't really respond to it. That's ok. Reality is kind of harsh that way.

Could you at least come up with one instance where they've completely reinvented the game — preferably one where it was a bad thing that it happened?

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From experience you're the antithesis of logic or discussion. You believe you're own rubbish and that's basically what it is.
You're confusing me with you again.

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EULA's are as good as a post it note you stick on your fridge saying, anyone who opens this fridge gives me the right to kill them. They mean nothing as long as law prohibits the conduct or lack of conduct detailed for breaching an EULA clause.

They are the equivalent of rules that are only enforcable if no other law supercedes, where most laws do take precedence and make clauses in EULA's invalid.

…and the fact remains that it explains what you can expect from the devs. If you want more or something else, you should look elsewhere. No matter how much you try to claim otherwise, none of the promises you're presenting are actually made anywhere for the simple reason that they can't be made because the game simply doesn't work that way.

You're not really telling me anything I don't know already, so you failed on that part as well. The problem is that what you're telling me is nothing but meaningless and vapid platitudes.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2014-01-30 04:47:41 UTC
Since we're completely on topic here, I just wanted to mention it's cold outside of the building I am in, but not cold enough for me to want to remain inside.

Also I sort of want waffles.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#119 - 2014-01-30 04:48:40 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Also you're wrong, the Kronos is not better at solo. The Kronos will attract a crapload of attention, while it might be better at active tanking, you'll end up stuck in place with a bunch of idiots nueting you and you dying faster than if you used a 6 gun 1 nuet plated mega.


Marauder huge cargo bay + navy cap 800 + heavy cap booster = pretty damn resistant to small gang neuting.

Unless someone brings up a geddon or domi or refits in station to have a full rack of neuts, it isn't going to neut out particularly quickly, and it can even unbastion and mwd to chase stuff eat some buffer loss then bastion up again to fix the buffer because it has a fairly extravagant total cap budget.

and then when you finally run out of boosters, like any good solo, you undock the cyno alt and drop the carrier to save it.



You can't MWD when you're scrammed and even with lows full of expanders you'll never do enough damage to pop anything prepared before cap runs out. The existence of RR means any damage you do will be absorbed easily. Soloing doesn't involve cyno alts and carriers. Marauders might take a few members of a unprepared gang you run into but it won't take out a gang prepared to take you on and as soon as people hear you're around soloing in Marauder you're going to get prepared gangs on you.

Its suicide.


its got 1275m3 of cargo space. For reference a dominix has 600, a proteus has 300 or something. ie the raw cap endurance it has is huge relative to targets. You don't need expanders, its got huge endurance without them.

If you are scrammed then something is close. ergo blasters are in play.

If there is RR, it does 1000 dps bastioned at sufficient range to reach the RR. if you are facing more than 1 RR, you deagress (which you can do because of huge cargo and huge tank), and you gate or dock, which are things that are going the *there* with blasterboats, because that is where they fight.

and surely, surely, surely with 4 utility highslots, and 3 of them not having the bastion in them, you can both neut out scram range targets, and have a NOS for trying to cheese some cap too.

yes legitimately it can take on multiple opponents and win sufficiently often, and it can legitimately escape multiple targets that have aggressed, through its ability to endure whilst deaggressing.


Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2014-01-30 04:58:18 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Also you're wrong, the Kronos is not better at solo. The Kronos will attract a crapload of attention, while it might be better at active tanking, you'll end up stuck in place with a bunch of idiots nueting you and you dying faster than if you used a 6 gun 1 nuet plated mega.


Marauder huge cargo bay + navy cap 800 + heavy cap booster = pretty damn resistant to small gang neuting.

Unless someone brings up a geddon or domi or refits in station to have a full rack of neuts, it isn't going to neut out particularly quickly, and it can even unbastion and mwd to chase stuff eat some buffer loss then bastion up again to fix the buffer because it has a fairly extravagant total cap budget.

and then when you finally run out of boosters, like any good solo, you undock the cyno alt and drop the carrier to save it.



You can't MWD when you're scrammed and even with lows full of expanders you'll never do enough damage to pop anything prepared before cap runs out. The existence of RR means any damage you do will be absorbed easily. Soloing doesn't involve cyno alts and carriers. Marauders might take a few members of a unprepared gang you run into but it won't take out a gang prepared to take you on and as soon as people hear you're around soloing in Marauder you're going to get prepared gangs on you.

Its suicide.

its got 1275m3 of cargo space. For reference a dominix has 600, a proteus has 300 or something. ie the raw cap endurance it has is huge relative to targets. You don't need expanders, its got huge endurance without them.

If you are scrammed then something is close. ergo blasters are in play.

If there is RR, it does 1000 dps bastioned at sufficient range to reach the RR. if you are facing more than 1 RR, you deagress (which you can do because of huge cargo and huge tank), and you gate or dock, which are things that are going the *there* with blasterboats, because that is where they fight.

and surely, surely, surely with 4 utility highslots, and 3 of them not having the bastion in them, you can both neut out scram range targets, and have a NOS for trying to cheese some cap too.

yes legitimately it can take on multiple opponents and win sufficiently often, and it can legitimately escape multiple targets that have aggressed, through its ability to endure whilst deaggressing.



You've obviously not fought competent fleets with a Marauder. I have in a Golem and against people who know what they're doing your 1k dps will not do anything and your tank being active based is reliant purely on cargo hold. I had Oracles, SB, T3's, BC, legions with neut subs and had they not derped on the wormhole not realising I was a war target I would have died.

That was a 22k tank, 2900m3 cargo, duel XLASB setup doing 1100 dps. It was no where near sufficient to beat their local RR / nuets and EHP.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)