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Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-01-29 19:18:11 UTC
my main has recently moved to sov null sec and I'm struggling a bit with finances due to the increased prices from empire to null.

I know that in null you have to rely on your corp however it going to take some time before I can rely on corp and alliance doctrines so at present I'm looking for things I can do solo.

So I'm looking for things to do in null sec that pay well that can be done by one person.

I've tried exploration but I'm finding my hacking skills aren't enough to be into a lot of null relic and data sites especially the high value ones.

I've tried ratting but my present ships aren't really good enough to do forsaken sites solo (will try to do them in a team).

So that just leaves mining as a solution. Still we had a boasted mining fleet so that is an option.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2014-01-29 19:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Otuk Andven wrote:

I've tried ratting but my present ships aren't really good enough to do forsaken sites solo (will try to do them in a team).


Yeah, back when I was a rookie pilot in null space, we didn't have no fancy-schmancy "anomalies" or "forsaken hubs" to tell us where the red crosses were and deliver them in bite-sized waves like a 5 course meal at your local French bistro. We had to go FIND the rats. And then shoot them. And then go find some more. Get t1 cruiser or battle cruiser and hit those asteroid belts, cherry pick loot for smartbombs and stuff worth over 500k.

Also, I used to be in a corp that recruited a lot of brand-new pilots. Our main program for getting them income at < 1 month sp was to have them salvage. Corp members would clear anomalies, make corp bookmarks marked as salvage along with a timestamp, newbros would salvage/loot in thrashers, and there was an established buyback program.

Nullsec data/relic sites are pretty difficult without a +10 bonused ship and at least level 4 in the relevant skill. If you have exploration skills your corp may have a finders fee bonus for mapping WH chains to hisec, or you can sell bookmarks to DED sites or fleet staging points to other people. Prices shouldn't be too highly inflated, if they are you may be trying to shop when there's a better stocked trade hub a few jumps away. Some alliances also allow people to place reasonably sized orders for things that aren't commonly available.

I recommend training a covops frig if you haven't already, aside from exploration, its a very safe way to travel, or even take trips to hisec to buy stuff, which can then be moved to your alliances staging area and courier contracted down. Don't waste SP on mining stuff unless thats what you want to do for a long time.

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Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-01-29 19:46:53 UTC
Batelle wrote:


I recommend training a covops frig if you haven't already, aside from exploration, its a very safe way to travel, or even take trips to hisec to buy stuff, which can then be moved to your alliances staging area and courier contracted down. Don't waste SP on mining stuff unless thats what you want to do for a long time.


I already have covops trained so that's something. Also I already had mining barges since I was originally in a high sec mining corp before moving to missioning and finally taking the plunge into null.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#4 - 2014-01-29 20:03:03 UTC
Back in my day.. (yes my old man skit coming in 3... 2... 1) we used have to go to belt to belt chaning rats... in the snow! lol

ok but al seriousness. You can Chain rats in belts, basicly you find a spawn with bs sized rats, you kill the bs' and leave a frig. you can sit there and the bs will respawn after 5 min or so, kill it again, wash rinse repeat. If you get lucky you can have tis setup in all the belts so you can rake in money.

You can mine ore and sell it to your corp/alliance if they do that

You can scan out c1 or c2 worm holes tat link to yoru null area and find wh gas and mine that. or run there sites, you can do c1's fairly easyily with a drake.

go roam in a simple ship and see if you can get gankes.

look for drug sites and mine that gas.

mostly mining will make you decent isk, or chaining.

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Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#5 - 2014-01-29 20:04:33 UTC
they liek it wen u strugel

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#6 - 2014-01-29 20:10:32 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
Batelle wrote:


I recommend training a covops frig if you haven't already, aside from exploration, its a very safe way to travel, or even take trips to hisec to buy stuff, which can then be moved to your alliances staging area and courier contracted down. Don't waste SP on mining stuff unless thats what you want to do for a long time.


I already have covops trained so that's something. Also I already had mining barges since I was originally in a high sec mining corp before moving to missioning and finally taking the plunge into null.


I meant to say "additional" sp. Blink

I would seriously consider getting hacking and archaeology right now to at least level 4 to see if you like it. You should have a 80% or so success rate in null with this. Data sites tend to be a relatively stable couple-mil per can, while relics tend to always have at least one high value can (15-30m from a single stack of power circuits is common). Use this site to estimate the value of bpcs you may find https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/ I finally got around to training both skills to 5 and find the 10 extra strength (from t2 module) and coherence to be very worth it. I think this is good rookie income because once you have reasonable scanning skills, its only two skills to train to max out your income potential here, and you can co back to training combat SP or whatever. There are two downsides, one is that the SP is obviously not useful unless you're actually doing hacking. The other downside is that in nullsec you can't convert loot to isk unless you sell to lowball buy orders, or make a trip to a trade hub.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#7 - 2014-01-29 20:20:52 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
my main has recently moved to sov null sec and I'm struggling a bit with finances due to the increased prices from empire to null.

I know that in null you have to rely on your corp however it going to take some time before I can rely on corp and alliance doctrines so at present I'm looking for things I can do solo.

So I'm looking for things to do in null sec that pay well that can be done by one person.

I've tried exploration but I'm finding my hacking skills aren't enough to be into a lot of null relic and data sites especially the high value ones.

I've tried ratting but my present ships aren't really good enough to do forsaken sites solo (will try to do them in a team).

So that just leaves mining as a solution. Still we had a boasted mining fleet so that is an option.




Just a question.

How are you running into financial issues? Does your corp/alliance routinely send you into blob warfare or what I like to call "stupid ship loss" and then expect you to "find a way" to replace ships?

And are said ships having do be "at least Tech 2" or some kind of "Tech 2 or GTFO" doctrine?


You might want to question the doctrines of this corp/alliance. Over the years I've seen a lot of corps just eat players' ISK and ships for the sake of ePeen or some lofty acquisition of the right to call themselves "leet" through PVP. There's also a lot of nullsec snobbery (one of the few things that I am in agreement with the Mittani on) of SP, ships you fly, etc but no support for those ships, keeping them from being popped, replacement, nor any teamwork regarding the earning of ISK to replace them.


I'm also wondering if your post is also indication that indeed, being nullsec is in fact only made possible by having an incursion-running alt in highsec like a pre-requisite. In highsec the incursions are farmed while the mothership lagers for days but the hatred for those who would pop the mom prematurely rivals the kind of nerd-rage we could mostly expect from nullsec.

Hence there's possibly more indication regarding your plight than we could initially expect.

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Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-01-29 20:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Otuk Andven
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

How are you running into financial issues? Does your corp/alliance routinely send you into blob warfare or what I like to call "stupid ship loss" and then expect you to "find a way" to replace ships?



Its more than while they have a ship replacement programme I can't fly any of the ships on it and present and I'm half way training logistics 5 so I'm for the moment got limited options. Main reason I'm got limited ISK is because I spent a lot on a T3 that can only gives about 500dps which is ok for low sec sites doesn't appear to be able to cut it in null.

Once I start engaging in combat with doctrines that ISK potential sink will be closed.

Then again I'm trying to rat in a alliance with ratting carriers.

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


I'm also wondering if your post is also indication that indeed, being nullsec is in fact only made possible by having an incursion-running alt in highsec like a pre-requisite. In highsec the incursions are farmed while the mothership lagers for days but the hatred for those who would pop the mom prematurely rivals the kind of nerd-rage we could mostly expect from nullsec.


from what I've heard in incursion chat its a strong possibility.
Viragarus kislany
Space Goo
#9 - 2014-01-29 20:30:17 UTC
You shouldn't fly alone. If your corp / alliance is the least bit friendly, I know of few week old newbs who make billions from salvaging others anomalies.
Your Dad Naked
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-01-29 20:31:48 UTC
The best way to make ISK as a small fry in null-sec is to sit in station while your hi-sec alt rats or AFK mines.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#11 - 2014-01-29 20:48:01 UTC
Salvage bro best bro. A T1 destroyer works fine. Noctis is better and only a little bit of SP required to be effective.

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Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-01-29 21:04:31 UTC
Actually I've just hit a stroke of luck

Killed a rare 9m rat and got 50m worth of loot

So perhaps ratting from belts isn't going to be so hard, going for the anomalies might had been too quick
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#13 - 2014-01-29 22:36:57 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:

Its more than while they have a ship replacement programme I can't fly any of the ships on it and present and I'm half way training logistics 5 so I'm for the moment got limited options. Main reason I'm got limited ISK is because I spent a lot on a T3 that can only gives about 500dps which is ok for low sec sites doesn't appear to be able to cut it in null.



If you're training logi 5 and have a t3, but can't make isk in nullsec, you're doing it wrong. I kind of thought you had a lot less SP and isk than that. Good god, you were talking about mining in a retriever to make isk.

You should probably post your character skills on eveboard and say what kind of rats you face.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#14 - 2014-01-29 23:16:53 UTC
I didn't realize Brutor Tribe had an SRP...

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fishblades
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-01-29 23:22:26 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
Actually I've just hit a stroke of luck

Killed a rare 9m rat and got 50m worth of loot

So perhaps ratting from belts isn't going to be so hard, going for the anomalies might had been too quick


Sheesh you have a long way to go. What kind of T3 do you have?


The best way I've found for myself to make money in 0.0 is to run combat signatures. If I am able to find enough sites to run in goonspace then you should be able to. When I resubbed I had 400mil which i turned into 22bil in like 2 months just running about 7-10 sites a week. For example a pith penal complex takes about 20-30 minutes to run, or less if you dual box it, and even if the overseer just drops effects thats still 80mil for 30 minutes worth of time. Run 7 of those in a week and you made half a bil. Some days you can scan for a couple hours and not find anything but on those days I just log and try again tomorrow. Even with just effects you are making decent money but huge payoffs are always possible depending on the plex. Pith Penals can drop upwards of 500-600mil and the best plex in Deklein, the guristas troop staging point drops the medium shield booster thats worth like 700mil by itself. So figure 7-10 plex in a week with the low end of maybe 2 paying off big and the isk builds up really fast. I do have one advantage being in Goonswarm. Our Eve Wiki lists all the plex so you can read about what you are warping into before you commit a ship to something. I'm sure you can find public resources though, they just wont be as good. I'm still working up the nerve to try and run The Maze in dual tengus, but that site scares me, it has the possibility of dropping over a bil though.

In the 4 months since I returned I bought 2 faction fit tengus worth around 1.6 bil each, a Revelation, 10 timecards, I gave away around 4bil isk for Christmas and I still have 10bil in my wallet.

Also I don't recommend buying your stuff in 0.0. Buy all your stuff in jita and hopefully someone in your corp runs a freighter service or find someone with a carrier who can jump your stuff back. Train into a carrier if you haven't, it will make your life so much easier.