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Highsec PvP-ers needed for foreverwar against Goons

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Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#841 - 2014-01-29 13:08:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Now now, just because I show your badness you don't have to start childish name calling, Lucas.
Bad sportmanship right there.

I don't troll.

Thanks for proving my point, again and again though.

D.

Bear

Edit: I'll help you, my point is you are an elitist mittani-wannabe nobody who tries to smother out truth and facts with utter garbage. Your head is so far stuck up your own big fat biased ass it creates a moebius belt that defies all laws of physics.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#842 - 2014-01-29 13:14:16 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Now now, just because I show your badness you don't have to start childish name calling, Lucas.
Bad sportmanship right there.

I don't troll.

Thanks for proving my point, again and again though.
Seriously guy is this the best you can do?
I'm not trying to be a sportsman though am I? I'm responding to arrogant troll posts from a random nobody. Should you ever get around to raising even a single well constructed and articulate point, perhaps I'll respond kindly.

And you do troll. In fact, reading your forum history, that's in fact all you do. You spout bad troll posts at people. Perhaps you don't think it's trolling, and that's why you are so bad at it, but what you are writing is troll posts.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#843 - 2014-01-29 13:24:15 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Edit: I'll help you, my point is you are an elitist mittani-wannabe nobody who tries to smother out truth and facts with utter garbage. Your head is so far stuck up your own big fat biased head it creates a moebius belt that defies all laws of physics.
LOL How? Exactly how did you get to this. You know absolutely nothing about me, and in all honesty thins couldn't be further from the truth. Basically what you've done here is you made up in your mind a picture of what a generic CFC person is that you can hate, then you are casting that on me without even trying to figure out how it fits.
The fact that I don't support a bunch of idiots camping Jita then screaming "we are winning!" doesn't make me elitist. the fact that I don't think Gevlon ganking a bunch of miners makes him the best at PvP doesn't make me elitist, and if you even take a cursory glance at thing I've said throughout history, I've always been a big supporter of "everyone counts", even though many times it has led to me being on the opposite side of other vocal CFC members.

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General Lemming
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#844 - 2014-01-29 13:38:32 UTC
Nice blog Lucas.
Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#845 - 2014-01-29 13:41:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Lucas Kell wrote:
How? Exactly how did you get to this.


Easy, from your posts.

I'll start with your first steps in this very thread;
Realistically he's filled with impotent rage and wants to express it.
This is a bit unclear for people who don;t read the nonsense on your blog
Uh oh, some ships died. Dork Homeworld wins eve.
If that's how far down you highsec guys need to bring the bar to feel victorious then by all means go ahead.
I present to you Gevlon Goblin, *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
Gevlon is a dumbass
That... That is just way too much stupid for a single post.
offload the bill to a naive moron.
Jita undock, Jita undock, Jita undock, Jita undock, Jita undock, Jita undock
Basically you are having a whine
Oh no, I am stung by your words.
Please bear with me as I reel from the pain you have caused.


And it just got worse and worse.
Now, please show me where I clearly lack any grasp on the english language, proving I'm dumb and stuff.

To add to the topic at hand, Lemmings for the win! Cool

D.

Bear

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#846 - 2014-01-29 14:05:32 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
How? Exactly how did you get to this.


Easy, from your posts.

I'll start with your first steps in this very thread;
Realistically he's filled with impotent rage and wants to express it.
This is a bit unclear for people who don;t read the nonsense on your blog
Uh oh, some ships died. Dork Homeworld wins eve.
If that's how far down you highsec guys need to bring the bar to feel victorious then by all means go ahead.
I present to you Gevlon Goblin, *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
Gevlon is a dumbass
That... That is just way too much stupid for a single post.
offload the bill to a naive moron.
Jita undock, Jita undock, Jita undock, Jita undock, Jita undock, Jita undock
Basically you are having a whine
Oh no, I am stung by your words.
Please bear with me as I reel from the pain you have caused.


And it just got worse and worse.
Now, please show me where I clearly lack any grasp on the english language, proving I'm dumb and stuff.

To add to the topic at hand, Lemmings for the win! Cool
None of that makes me elitist. It means I don't tolerate a handful of morons when they spout off about how amazing they are for doing nowt. But then you support Gevlon, who has written several articles on why nearly everyone he's encountered is a moron and how he is intolerant of them regardless of what they do. Double standards.

All you've done there is summarise a few responses out of context, and to be honest, they stand alone pretty well. Some of the better ones aren't even there which is a shame, you should have dug a little deeper.

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Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#847 - 2014-01-29 14:13:10 UTC
Danalee wrote:
time you try and weasle yourself out of the painfull truth by attacking the content I provide you with, you loose


From an outside the perspective, it looks the other way around actually.

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Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#848 - 2014-01-29 14:21:48 UTC
Luca's

Danalee is trolling the hell out of you Lol

Stop posting walls of text he only feeds off it.

Don't feed the trolls!


or at lest troll him back (if you can).


p.s I have my popcorn ready Cool

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#849 - 2014-01-29 14:52:56 UTC
Fybs wrote:
Luca's

Danalee is trolling the hell out of you Lol

Stop posting walls of text he only feeds off it.

Don't feed the trolls!


or at lest troll him back (if you can).


p.s I have my popcorn ready Cool
I like feeding trolls, I'm not at home, so I can't play EVE so poking trolls with sticks is pretty amusing. :D

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Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#850 - 2014-01-29 15:18:08 UTC
Darnit Fybs, why had you go and ruin my perfectly good afternoon entertainment Lol
I'm so awoxing you this evening!

So, how about those goons? They make me grrrrr XXX

some random goon wrote:
The really sad thing is that anyone flying under the FCON, RZR, Circle of Two, etc, tickers is, for all intents and purposes, a Goon. Goonswarm culture/rep has taken over so much of the CFC that "Goon" is just as synonymous with Goonswarm as it is with any alliance member of the CFC. I have to chuckle whenever folks like RZR or FA or basically anyone else in the CFC try and act like they can operate completely independent of the CFC. The CFC is like the Borg. You become assimilated. You are part of The Machine. A very effective machine, but you lose your sense of individuality.


Can anyone from the CFC confirm this feeling of being just a little drop in a big effective bucket of... well, let's keep things civil Lol

D.

Bear

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#851 - 2014-01-29 15:20:17 UTC
Pete Butcher wrote:
Wow, just wow. With such deficiency in brain power, how does he manage to live in this world. This is so absurd, it's almost unbelievable.

If you look back far enough on his blog, he has pictures of his apartment posted somewhere.

All I'm going to say is, that if I lived there I wouldn't be spending all my time blogging about how to make virtual space money and crying about other people making virtual space money but would instead be making real money.

But it seems the same way with every Randian; they know how to be hyper rich but someone/something else has to change before their perfect knowledge of the world can take shape. See also: bitcoin fanatics.

Kagura Nikon wrote:
At end it does matter. But the loss of huge coalitions with rental empires is mitigated among so manyy peopel that they are unable to cause any psycological pressure. Is like when a country raise taxes to buy more weapons that they lost in a war. Peoepl do not like taxes, but that does not affect their morale.

Back in the days where 0.0 dwellers payed their own capital ships form their own pockets and a dread was something EXPENSIVE, then the direct result of the battle would fall in the individuals, would not be spread and would cause serious discontent.

For losses to matter at coalition level, they would need to be large and constant enough to force them to " raise taxes" of the renters. But its unlikely any war in eve will ever take that long again.

For war to really matter without pushign someoen out of a territory there would need to be ifnrastructure easily disruptable on the renter alliances territories, that could be pressed to cause failure on that side. Because pressing on the fighting side of the coalitions will not have much results...


It doesn't (and can't) ever matter to the alliance.

Because apparently this concept is alien to the denizens of highsec / Gevlon, despite it being very calmly explained to them many, many times, perhaps an analogy would help?

It's roughly equivalent to someone sitting outside an Amazon warehouse, attacking particular delivery trucks with a particular marker on them, and claiming "I am taking down the US government doing this". Any actual US government shipments that come from it are in an unmarked van, and because they're choosing to do this in managed car-park (where they've bribed the guards to let them hit certain marked trucks only) the actual US-owned items pass through with impunity.

No matter how many times you tell them this, they keep waving Amazon's insurance bills in the air and claim it's direct damage to the US government. Meanwhile, the US government haven't paid a cent to anyone, and look on rather confused.
There was a very brief and containable threat to US money printing kiosks in the managed carpark, but as soon as the National Guard showed up to clear away the nuttcases they went back to showing people the Amazon bills and claiming that was their plan all along.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#852 - 2014-01-29 16:27:14 UTC
General Lemming wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
We just lost like two trillion isk worth of caps and supercaps and the biggest question is how smug is too smug (or if there is such a thing) and getting replacement hulls laid out asap to do it again

but uh best of luck bankrupting us by shooting random people's pods in highsec
No need to show us how terrible you guys are. We already know that. Lol

And Goonies, stop caring so much about highsec and Lemmings Forum post. Really, it wil make you sleep better at night Twisted

Your Tears Are Zzzzweeaatt......

i think if you were a fish you'd think you were trolling the fishermen by biting on their hooks

~lawl trolled you fishermen made you pull me out of the water~

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Kirin Shiyurida
Suavissimus Investments
#853 - 2014-01-29 17:00:00 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
lol, moron.
Lucas Kell wrote:
and masturbating like you guys, right?
Lucas Kell wrote:
you are one of the dumbest people
Lucas Kell wrote:
Do you honestly think that bad trolling and spouting schoolyard insults makes you relevant?

All in the very same post... lamo.

Go sit in the corner, Lucas! You are acting like a child.

What's up with you forum goons today? I came here for my daily dose of goon-propaganda, hoping to see some pompous do funny dances or at least be reassured that you don't care about losing your stuff and then I have to come home to this? Seriously? Shameful...

Khanh'rhh wrote:
If you look back far enough on his blog, he has pictures of his apartment posted somewhere.

All I'm going to say is, that if I lived there I wouldn't be spending all my time blogging about how to make virtual space money and crying about other people making virtual space money but would instead be making real money.

How low... Are you already out of pseudo arguments that you have to crawl through the man's blog for pictures? "LOL your gf is ugly we win". What's next, a nose dive through his garbage can?

The analogy simply doesn't make any sense either; not even remotely. Are all the sharp knifes to busy trolling N3/PL about the titans right now?

Please deliver!
Kirin Shiyurida
Suavissimus Investments
#854 - 2014-01-29 17:00:54 UTC
Weaselior wrote:

i think if you were a fish you'd think you were trolling the fishermen by biting on their hooks

~lawl trolled you fishermen made you pull me out of the water~

See, at least the weasel is amusing. Can be so easy. +1
General Lemming
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#855 - 2014-01-29 17:19:14 UTC
Kirin Shiyurida wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

i think if you were a fish you'd think you were trolling the fishermen by biting on their hooks

~lawl trolled you fishermen made you pull me out of the water~

See, at least the weasel is amusing. Can be so easy. +1
Extremely amusing Big smile , as he has no clue who the real fish is here. BLUBbbbb.....
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#856 - 2014-01-29 17:49:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Kirin Shiyurida wrote:
All in the very same post... lamo.

Go sit in the corner, Lucas! You are acting like a child.

What's up with you forum goons today? I came here for my daily dose of goon-propaganda, hoping to see some pompous do funny dances or at least be reassured that you don't care about losing your stuff and then I have to come home to this? Seriously? Shameful...
*shrug*
I see no difference between that response and most of the other posts from both sides in this thread. That's me choosing to be civil, and to be honest, it's pretty much all truth. To believe half of the stuff these guys do, you have to be pretty dumb, and they in fact do seem to think their killboards are super important, which I'll never understand. I generally run logi, so I rarely show up on KBs. Maybe if I camped Jita I'd suddenly get the feel for it and start posting links to it everywhere.

Kirin Shiyurida wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
If you look back far enough on his blog, he has pictures of his apartment posted somewhere.

All I'm going to say is, that if I lived there I wouldn't be spending all my time blogging about how to make virtual space money and crying about other people making virtual space money but would instead be making real money.
How low... Are you already out of pseudo arguments that you have to crawl through the man's blog for pictures? "LOL your gf is ugly we win". What's next, a nose dive through his garbage can?

The analogy simply doesn't make any sense either; not even remotely. Are all the sharp knifes to busy trolling N3/PL about the titans right now?

Please deliver!
While it doesn't make a difference on the outcome of the lemmings, it does speak to the mentality of the person backing it. The point I believe was that Gevlon focuses his energy on in game success beyond out of game success which could indicate it's taken a little too seriously. With the way he moves the goalposts and strives to make himself known as some top level player, it's clear he needs the game to improve his sense of self worth, and failing in that upsets him, though he's way too stubborn to admit it.

In truth though Gevlon himself isn't really as dumb as he comes across. He understands some of the mechanics, and if he put his mind to it and was willing to overcome the absolute preconception that he is right he could very well understand more and actually succeed. The hurdle he would have is when it comes to understanding the reasons behind other people's actions. I think he'd be too stubborn to simply accept that not everyone works in exactly the same way. We don't all work like automatons, striving to achieve the highest level of isk/hour, in fact most of us are here for a single reason: to have fun. Understanding that and realising that compromise goes a long way to efficiently resolving conflict is a powerful tool. Both General Lemming and Gevlon could do with understanding that leadership is comprised as more than sitting at the top and being the most vocal.

Take the RvB situation for example. Rather than speaking to RvB, trying to find a resolution that could be mutually accepted, they chose to insult RvB members and leadership trashing any chance of a political resolution. Now they are relying on N3 telling RvB to stop, which is unlikely to happen, then even if it did happen would likely result in RvB laughing a bit then saying "no" and casually walking off.

It's not even like people haven't tried to give advice. One thing you can rely on from the CFC is they will tell you in no uncertain terms how to attack them properly, since it generates content. Harry Forever was given much similar advice (even down to where and how to stage an effective offensive), and chose instead to ignore it. As much as these guys want to kid themselves, high sec fatalities simply don't have any impact at all. If anything proves this, it's the fact that null sec group have had war declarations from wardec groups for years, with massive amounts of isk lost, and yet null groups continue.

And this is for exactly the reason previously stated, this is personal losses. If someone loses so much in high sec that they decide to quit null, they weren't the type of player null groups were looking for anyway, since they can't follow the simplest of guidelines and they quit when things go wrong even when it's their fault. This is why RvB charge for Jita pod kills. If you can't follow the simple rule of "don't go to Jita" then what hope do you have of following simple FC instructions during a fleet fight?

Sorry, that turned into a bit of a wall :p

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General Lemming
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#857 - 2014-01-29 19:27:50 UTC
HINT of the day : I don't want RvB to stop Blink

Just because you can't see the reasons why I want things to happen as they happen, doesn't make it wrong P
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#858 - 2014-01-29 19:34:42 UTC
General Lemming wrote:
Just because you can't see the reasons why I want things to happen as they happen, doesn't make it wrong P


Yes, we all know you want to fail more each day.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#859 - 2014-01-29 19:39:29 UTC
General Lemming wrote:
HINT of the day : I don't want RvB to stop Blink

Just because you can't see the reasons why I want things to happen as they happen, doesn't make it wrong P
You might want to relay that to Gevlon, since he's been claiming that with them about you can't progress with your goals, and how you need N3 to tell them to stop.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#860 - 2014-01-29 22:14:39 UTC
Kirin Shiyurida wrote:
The analogy simply doesn't make any sense either; not even remotely. Are all the sharp knifes to busy trolling N3/PL about the titans right now?

It's not meant to make sense, that's the point. The argument lemmings/marmite make that their kills on people in Jita impact the alliance in any way are so nonsensical as to defy any logical way of equating the difference.

I mean, with a 90% certainty someone from either group will quote this and say something akin to "but still x bil goonie tears wololololol !!!"

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