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Jacksol Darnson
Loki's Vanguard
#1 - 2014-01-29 15:36:57 UTC
iv noticed that it is hard to find any ore worth while in .7 and above? just wondering if its fairly safe to go to a .5 with out a group other other players if your a noob?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-01-29 15:39:56 UTC
That depends on the group and what you fly. =)



0.5 is still high-sec, so same engagement rules apply as in a 0.7 or 1.0.
Just keep in mind, NPC pirates can be slightly tougher for a new player and CONCORD takes longer to throw away their donuts and punish any offender.

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Jacksol Darnson
Loki's Vanguard
#3 - 2014-01-29 15:42:45 UTC
is it possible to hire another player to help me out???
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2014-01-29 15:54:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
J'Poll wrote:
That depends on the group and what you fly. =)



0.5 is still high-sec, so same engagement rules apply as in a 0.7 or 1.0.
Just keep in mind, NPC pirates can be slightly tougher for a new player and CONCORD takes longer to throw away their donuts and punish any offender.

Lies, Concord never throws their doughnuts away, in a 0.5 they actually take the time to order another batch before attending any crime scenes.

@ the OP you should be fine in a 0.5 as long as you pay attention and don't mine afk. Alternatively if you move away from trade and mission hubs you'll find plenty of untouched belts in 0.7s.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-01-29 16:00:25 UTC
Jacksol Darnson wrote:
is it possible to hire another player to help me out???


That's quite difficult in high-sec. Mainly because of how flagging system works and most hostilities by other players are done by using suicide ganking (aka kill you before response is possible).

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#6 - 2014-01-29 16:03:20 UTC
Jacksol Darnson wrote:
is it possible to hire another player to help me out???


What about your corpies? Mining corps usually have fleets with orca boosting yield. Or your corp exists only to avoid NPC taxes and everybody for himself? If that is a case I would suggest changing corp instead of even considering hiring anybody to help you with mining in hisec.

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Jacksol Darnson
Loki's Vanguard
#7 - 2014-01-29 16:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacksol Darnson
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Jacksol Darnson wrote:
is it possible to hire another player to help me out???


What about your corpies? Mining corps usually have fleets with orca boosting yield. Or your corp exists only to avoid NPC taxes and everybody for himself? If that is a case I would suggest changing corp instead of even considering hiring anybody to help you with mining in hisec.


my corps kinda small iv only seen like 7 members on
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#8 - 2014-01-29 16:20:40 UTC
Big, small doesn't matter. What matters is if you guys do things together or not. If not and you need help and your corp cannot help you I would recommend find another corp that will. Really, there is plenty of small corps that take newbies and help them by inviting them into fleets and doing things together. Mining, missions, incursions, pvp, doesn't matter what activity is - corp is there to help you help them, otherwise it makes little sense to have their logo on your info panel.

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Jacksol Darnson
Loki's Vanguard
#9 - 2014-01-29 16:31:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacksol Darnson
Im just not on at the same times they are it seems.

when they are on there are uber helpful even replaced my mining ship when i was killed off by pirates
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#10 - 2014-01-29 16:32:09 UTC
Before hooking up with another player, check his corp and if they're involved in a war.

If so; Don't fleet-up
If not; go ahead and grab some bonusses. You can even try to ask in local if Orca's show up on D-scan
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-29 16:50:20 UTC
Jacksol Darnson wrote:
is it possible to hire another player to help me out???
Help you do what? Protect you against suicide gankers? Sure, but you'd probably have to pay him more than you make mining.

If you are so concerned about getting ganked, fly a procurer and fit some tank it. They get ganked extremely rarely.
Or just pay attention to local and d-scan and always be ready to warp away if hostiles comes into the system.

And as Yarda said, independently from protection, if you can get into a fleet with Orca boost, you want them, they can boost your yield by over 50%. Also, everything tends to be less boring in a group.

And obligatory mining disclaimer: While mining is steady income, it's far from being the best income, even for new players. You do not have to mine in this game if you don't enjoy it. (But if you enjoy it, by all means, continue.)
Jacksol Darnson
Loki's Vanguard
#12 - 2014-01-29 16:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacksol Darnson
no I don't enjoy it im looking to be fighter some day but im still building up my skill and need to get a isk pillow to fall back upon.
when I die
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-01-29 19:00:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Jacksol Darnson wrote:
is it possible to hire another player to help me out???

in theory yes. in practice no. the way miner ganking works is you fit a few cheap but high dps ships and burst the target down within seconds before concord even arrives. this inherently also means that whoever is in charge of protecting you only has a few seconds to lock the gankers and engage in countermeasures.

in addition, the total amount of gankers in eve is unfortunately pretty low, so your personal bodyguard would probably spend most of his time watching porn (which does not exactly help his vigilance either).

I should buy an Ishtar.
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#14 - 2014-01-29 19:06:57 UTC
I mined in 0.6 and 0.5 as a newb with my Venture. Get some drones for your Venture and you can take care of any NPC rats in 0.6 and 0.5 systems. Train your drone skills up to at least 3, preferably 4. Fit your Venture with a Damage Control module. Once in system, take the usual precautions - align, dscan, and check local for bad guys and gals. Gankers are after bigger bling than a Venture.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2014-01-29 19:39:46 UTC
0.5 to 1.0 are "safe" to mine, though you'll want to have combat drones to deal with the NPC if you cannot tank and ignore them.

I found I could easily deal with all hisec belt-rat NPC with one or two Hobgoblin drones.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-01-29 20:08:42 UTC
Jacksol Darnson wrote:
no I don't enjoy it im looking to be fighter some day but im still building up my skill and need to get a isk pillow to fall back upon.
when I die


Okay.

Then DO NOT mine.

Don't do things you don't enjoy.

And as Thomas said, other things are better paid.

Missions not only pay better, but it gives you practise on how to fight in both PvE and to some extend PvP.
Looking at asteroids pop while training skills, will mean you will never actually learn to be a fighter.

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Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-01-29 21:52:27 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Jacksol Darnson wrote:
no I don't enjoy it im looking to be fighter some day but im still building up my skill and need to get a isk pillow to fall back upon.
when I die


Okay.

Then DO NOT mine.

Don't do things you don't enjoy.

And as Thomas said, other things are better paid.

Missions not only pay better, but it gives you practise on how to fight in both PvE and to some extend PvP.
Looking at asteroids pop while training skills, will mean you will never actually learn to be a fighter.

Well, depends. If he's looking to get into small gangs, then mining is bad.
However, if he's looking to get into large fleet battles, then mining is perfect. target, lock, F1, rinse repeat....just like mining.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-01-29 22:04:01 UTC
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Jacksol Darnson wrote:
no I don't enjoy it im looking to be fighter some day but im still building up my skill and need to get a isk pillow to fall back upon.
when I die


Okay.

Then DO NOT mine.

Don't do things you don't enjoy.

And as Thomas said, other things are better paid.

Missions not only pay better, but it gives you practise on how to fight in both PvE and to some extend PvP.
Looking at asteroids pop while training skills, will mean you will never actually learn to be a fighter.

Well, depends. If he's looking to get into small gangs, then mining is bad.
However, if he's looking to get into large fleet battles, then mining is perfect. target, lock, F1, rinse repeat....just like mining.


Made me laugh, but it's kind of true.

If you are looking for big blobs, then being a F1 monkey is enough.

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Spine Ripper
New Order Logistics
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#19 - 2014-01-29 22:50:52 UTC
Jacksol Darnson wrote:
no I don't enjoy it im looking to be fighter some day but im still building up my skill and need to get a isk pillow to fall back upon.
when I die


If you don't like mining AND you want to be a fighter you may be in the wrong corp.

RvB (Red versus Blue) won't require that you have a lot of ISK to join and they train fighters.

Or there are other options but I won't provoke any response by mentioning the obvious.

All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.  No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#20 - 2014-01-30 07:29:48 UTC
If you do continue mining, and decide to take risks, then give your ship a solid tank. This likely means foregoing your mining bonus mods. The ISK loss from less mining product is generally smaller than the ISK loss of a ship to a suicide ganker. And his hobby is so cheap that nothing will deter him from attempting it, so it's best to assume you will get attacked despite Concord.
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