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Proteus PVE - L3 / L4 - Q: DPS/TANK

Author
Opzi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-29 10:11:15 UTC
Hi. I'm a relatively new player who have been playing EvE on and off the last couple of years, and I would like to have some inputs on a Level-3 / 4 Mission set-up for my Proteus (Yeah, I know that many people dislike the ship What? ).

I have some questions which I hope the community can help me with. Buf first of, skills:

Skillpoints ~12M

Drones: ~800k

Electronics: ~500k

Engineering: ~900k

Gunnery: ~7M

Mechanic: ~900k

Navigation: ~400k

Spaceship Command: 2M

My current set-up is:

[High-Slots]
Heavy Neutron Blaster II x5

[Med-Slots]
Cap Recharger II x3
10MN Afterburner II

[Low-Slots]
Damage Controll II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2
Energized Adpative Nano Membrane II x2

[Rig]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I x3

[Drones]
5x Hammerhead II

[Sub]
Nanobot Injector
Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Wake Limiter

My question is about the stats.

Effective HP: 48,317
Armor EM: 73,8% / Thermal: 83% / Kinetic 91,3% / Explosive: 76,1%
Cap stable @ 48%
DPS: 487 w/Void M + drones
DPS: 373 w/Null M + drones

Defense: 202 ehp/s

So, what I'm wondering about is DPS and Defense. I think it's way to low.

I have Medium Hybrid Turret 5, Medium Blaster Specialization 4, Gunnery 5, Controlled Bursts 4, Motion Prediction 5, Rapid Firing 5, Sharpshooter 5

For defense: EM Armor Compensation 3, EM Armor 3, Explosive Armor 3, Kinetic Armor 2, Thermic Armor 3 Hull upgrades 5, Mechanics 5, Repairs 4

In EFT when I use this fitting and set all skills to 5 the DPS increase to 606 w/Null and 785 w/Void. Defense jumps to a lousy 339.

Am I missing some core skills to get this boosted up to something which can handle a L4 mission?

I hope you can help a semi-noob out Smile
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#2 - 2014-01-29 10:19:17 UTC
Its got a HUGE buffer for a cruiser, it does not need trimarks for PVE. It will gain further (ehp/sec) tank from using a couple of aux-nano pumps, and it will gain further tank from using 2 rat specific hardeners, instead of EANMs.

Also med blasters are plain outright awful for mission running. It turns out that it runs missions and plexes better with drones, and then the ishtar does both of those things even better still.

You'll spend ages approaching things at 500m/sec with an AB, and if you fit an MWD, yes you'll take more damage using it, and it will chew cap.

It also tanks massively if its orbiting a beacon or a drone. Not so well if you have to fly at things all the time to bring them to range.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#3 - 2014-01-29 10:31:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
also in the specific case of the proteus, I would use 3x CCC and get rid of the cap rechargers. The mids are too critical for applied damage mods on this boat.

I would generally prefer 200mm (or 250mm) railguns, AB, a web and a tracking computer if I was going gunnery. I would probably want a tank with 3 slots in the lows (corelum c-type medium armor rep + 2 hardeners is what I use), and I'd would want 4 mag stabs.

That way you can AB around avoiding damage, you can shoot stuff at reasonable ranges, and you can use the 25m3 dronebay to take care of anything small that got too close. The buffer of the proteus is big enough for you to kill a beacon reaching web, and rails let you reach such things straight away.

How would you do the blockade with an AB and blasters ?

I have tried missioning in rail deimos and rail vigilant, and I found the rail vigilant to honestly be pretty good, and it had more dps than you do with blasters ???

(I think I used a cap booster with the vigilant, since its highsec and I am redocking after each mission where I can replenish, which made it a lot simpler to get the fit working).
Opzi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-01-29 10:48:12 UTC
Hi Tauranon,

thank you for the reply! I will try to do some changes and see if I can get a better result.

I know it's a stupid ship to use for missions, at least with blasters. For some reason (think it was a youtube vid of some guy doing WH), I started training towards the Proteus and now I'm stuck with it for a while :) Maybe I'll see if I can find another use for it instead of running missions.

Gonna train for a Tengu next. All I read is good things about that ship.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#5 - 2014-01-29 10:54:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Without checking the fit (make it easy copy/paste for import).

- AB and blasters don't mix, especially not medium blasters
- 2 mag stabs is just bad
- 5 turrets is also bad
- you need TC/TE
- trimarks make zero sense on a mission fit
- whatever you try to make the proteus do, it'll be terrible for mission efficiency


If you really want to use a Proteus for it (again, I wouldn't know why because they're not good at it meaning more time wasted and less income), have a look at this. I doubt it's max optimised as I cobbled it together in 2 minutes but use it as a starting template.

[Proteus, lvl 4]
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Energized Kinetic Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Gistum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Opzi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-01-29 11:22:49 UTC
Gregor, thanks for the reply!

Well, seems like I made a bad choice going for the Proteus Sad

But now I'm stuck with it for a while, got any recommendations for what to do with it instead of missions? Perhaps WH exploration or something like that?
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#7 - 2014-01-29 11:42:41 UTC
Uuuuuhhhhmmm. No, not really.

It can be used in a pvp scenario but that generally relies on having gang links, possible backup in the form of RR/ECM and dealing with idiot and stationary targets. Realistically though, not so much. There's also a cloaky/nullified fit that can work fine. Still, PVP+blaster range+ 500 mil cruiser has a tendency to end badly.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2014-01-29 14:39:09 UTC
Doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet: you probably show low DPS because you haven't maxes out your subsystem skills. That should at least give you a boost.

Both MWD blaster Proteus and AB rail Proteus can sort of work for L4s. Neither is optimal, but oh well. Rails can also do low sec exploration, particularly in Serpentis and Guristas space. Might be worth considering if you don't mind putting the ship on the line.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#9 - 2014-01-29 14:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Opzi wrote:
Gregor, thanks for the reply!

Well, seems like I made a bad choice going for the Proteus Sad

But now I'm stuck with it for a while, got any recommendations for what to do with it instead of missions? Perhaps WH exploration or something like that?


I have mine fit as a drone boat and its taken about 10 billion isk in loot, boxes and bounties from ded complex sigs and escalations. These days I can covert/nullifer to a hostile system, refit in system off a mobile depot to droneboat and then do the escalation. I love it as a droneboat because its a flying space luxury yacht with every conceivable fitting and option for an explorer fit that way (3 utility highs - awesome). A railboat might actually be a bit easier to get everything to fit for travel.

The point to the T3s is that they have flexible subs, so you should find a role that suits it. If I was back in highsec I'd be using it as my fetcher for lowsec escalations. Which I'd mostly get by farming den anomalies, which it might be able to do blaster fit. That's kinda actually exercising the ship, since you'll fit blaster for highsec, covops for travel and then rails for the escalation.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#10 - 2014-01-29 14:50:36 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Without checking the fit (make it easy copy/paste for import).

- AB and blasters don't mix, especially not medium blasters
- 2 mag stabs is just bad
- 5 turrets is also bad
- you need TC/TE
- trimarks make zero sense on a mission fit
- whatever you try to make the proteus do, it'll be terrible for mission efficiency


If you really want to use a Proteus for it (again, I wouldn't know why because they're not good at it meaning more time wasted and less income), have a look at this. I doubt it's max optimised as I cobbled it together in 2 minutes but use it as a starting template.

[Proteus, lvl 4]
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Energized Kinetic Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Gistum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5


This is a good idea for a pve-proteus, given that the proteus is pretty terrible for pve. If you are in possesson of gallente cruiser V already, you should consider an ishtar. You'll probably have those drones skilled up faster than guns to start with.