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Drone aggro from attacking MTU fixed.

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Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#1 - 2014-01-28 16:31:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Rubicon 1.1

"Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target."

Looks like all the silly kids who were trying to claim this was an intended feature were wrong, as expected.

cowardly high sec pirate tears = best tears

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#2 - 2014-01-28 16:42:18 UTC
Eh. I'm sure it was fun whilst it lasted - for those who bothered with such things. All good things go away.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3 - 2014-01-28 16:46:07 UTC
Looks like someone forgot to check if there was already a topic about this, there are several.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-01-28 18:56:16 UTC
OP sent me a private tear mail. You know they're angry when you get private mail from them.

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Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#5 - 2014-01-28 19:50:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Mallak Azaria wrote:
OP sent me a private tear mail. You know they're angry when you get private mail from them.


you seem confused, as usual. I was laughing in your face.


Mallak Azaria wrote:


The mechanic was intended.



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4069211#post4069211

Mallak Azaria wrote:


If I am wrong about this, it is something that I will have to accept regardless of not liking it & that doesn't make me stupid no matter how much you stamp your feet about it. It will however be another case of CCP pandering to the people that choose to be victims.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4073883#post4073883


Lol

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049

Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-01-28 20:15:12 UTC
This has once again proven my theory correct: whenever I start training for something or (ab)using dubious game mechanics, it get's nerfed shortly after.

Contact me in game for your nerfing needs so we can work out an arrangement that will benefit the both of us (meaning: pay me to get your desired stuff nerfed) \o/
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-01-28 21:22:08 UTC
Guy is pretty upset. Patch day meltdowns are the best.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-01-28 23:37:58 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
This has once again proven my theory correct: whenever I start training for something or (ab)using dubious game mechanics, it get's nerfed shortly after.

Contact me in game for your nerfing needs so we can work out an arrangement that will benefit the both of us (meaning: pay me to get your desired stuff nerfed) \o/


I know how you feel. Links got nerfed just as my alt was able to start providing them. But she's almost done with Recon 5 now and I still haven't heard about nerfs to Falcons. So there is hope, dim though it may be.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Davish Krail
#9 - 2014-01-29 04:28:48 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Rubicon 1.1

"Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target."

Looks like all the silly kids who were trying to claim this was an intended feature were wrong, as expected.

cowardly high sec pirate tears = best tears


Now you can AFK rat in Hisec completely safe, devoid of any type of risk or consequence.

Truly, it is now a paradise.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-01-29 08:29:57 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:


I know how you feel. Links got nerfed just as my alt was able to start providing them. But she's almost done with Recon 5 now and I still haven't heard about nerfs to Falcons. So there is hope, dim though it may be.


Sometimes it takes a while, predicting Falcon will get shafted around summer though as I have it somewhere in my training plans.

As for the case of the drone aggro: I wanted this one nerfed as I think it was bad game mechanics. Killed a couple of boats cuz of it and it just doesn't feel quite as good as an honest gank Lol

I'm not too happy about how it was nerfed, I'd rather see it nerfed through the safety settings. If green, they don't engage, if yellow, only engage when your own stuff is stolen, if red, engage everything that flashes. That leaves more tactical options, I can think of scenarios where I'd WANT my drones to automaticly attack without even having to target the target myself first. With more options, there is also more room for misjudgements and stupid mistakes, resulting in more stuff getting blown up which is good, right?
Sniper Wolf18
Aggressive Diplomacy
#11 - 2014-01-29 12:40:49 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:


I know how you feel. Links got nerfed just as my alt was able to start providing them. But she's almost done with Recon 5 now and I still haven't heard about nerfs to Falcons. So there is hope, dim though it may be.


Sometimes it takes a while, predicting Falcon will get shafted around summer though as I have it somewhere in my training plans.

As for the case of the drone aggro: I wanted this one nerfed as I think it was bad game mechanics. Killed a couple of boats cuz of it and it just doesn't feel quite as good as an honest gank Lol

I'm not too happy about how it was nerfed, I'd rather see it nerfed through the safety settings. If green, they don't engage, if yellow, only engage when your own stuff is stolen, if red, engage everything that flashes. That leaves more tactical options, I can think of scenarios where I'd WANT my drones to automaticly attack without even having to target the target myself first. With more options, there is also more room for misjudgements and stupid mistakes, resulting in more stuff getting blown up which is good, right?



That's not how the safeties are supposed to work though, yellow lets you go suspect, green lets you enter a limited engagment with a valid target.

Do drones still aggro people ahooting your ship? Why not petition losses due to drones aggroing people shooting you while on gate/at station and see if CCP will reimbirse, they've already been doing it over the MTU feature, there's no warning for undocking during a war, I'd say that's similar enough to warrant the same treatment and bending over backwards that this got.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#12 - 2014-01-29 14:20:37 UTC
I get the green and yellow safeties. What are the rules when you use the red option?
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#13 - 2014-01-29 14:47:30 UTC
Davish Krail wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Rubicon 1.1

"Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target."

Looks like all the silly kids who were trying to claim this was an intended feature were wrong, as expected.

cowardly high sec pirate tears = best tears


Now you can AFK rat in Hisec completely safe, devoid of any type of risk or consequence.

Truly, it is now a paradise.


news flash, you can afk before this MTU bug occur.

Game will not fall apart because of this MTU fix.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-01-29 16:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Priestess Lin wrote:
Rubicon 1.1

"Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target."

Looks like all the silly kids who were trying to claim this was an intended feature were wrong, as expected.

cowardly high sec pirate tears = best tears

Its not about cowardice or bravery, or anyone judging how anyone else plays the game -- the bigger issue is the constant nerfing of hisec by CCP based on carebear tears, contrary to their founding 'conflict is good' and 'htfu' roots that required people to use their brains, not be bubble wrapped.

What I mean is that intended or not, having drones with their setting at 'agressive' aggroing someone attacking a players MTU is a GOOD MECHANIC. It passed the 'does it create opportunity for conflict, or remove it' smell test.

Remember, the bear still had the option to put brain in gear and use the 'passive' drone setting right?

Where the real tears originated was with the carebear not using his brain, wanting to AFK mission run with an 'agressive' drone setting, and then crying like a b!tch when a pirate DID use his brain to get a limited engagement against him. THAT is what EvE is about, or...sadly....used to be...

::sniff::
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#15 - 2014-01-29 18:20:33 UTC
I think it's unreasonable to expect someone running a mission to be required to set drones to passive to avoid getting ganked. When my drones are on passive I have to send them to each target manually. This wastes both time and effort and adds nothing to actual game play.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#16 - 2014-01-29 18:25:08 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I think it's unreasonable to expect someone running a mission to be required to set drones to passive to avoid getting ganked. When my drones are on passive I have to send them to each target manually. This wastes both time and effort and adds nothing to actual game play.

When your drones decide to pop the spawn trigger and drop multiple BS and web/scram frigates on you, you'll appreciate the passive setting Bear

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#17 - 2014-01-29 18:30:23 UTC
I fit my ships correctly (pith x-type baby) so that I don't have to concern myself with extra waves or whatever. I've paid my isk up front to warp in and stomp missions in record time. Taking drones off of agressive would force me to target frigates that I really don't care to deal with. Your 'loophole' mechanic was detracting from my play style, all CCP did was swap it back to the correct way. If having game mechanics work correctly hurts your play style - perhaps you should examine how you are playing the game.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-01-29 18:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I think it's unreasonable to expect someone running a mission to be required to set drones to passive to avoid getting ganked. When my drones are on passive I have to send them to each target manually. This wastes both time and effort and adds nothing to actual game play.

So actively playing the game is unreasonable, you want to run missions AFK or semi-AFK while you fap.

And even given the option to have drones set to aggressive to auto-engage targets, and then quickly setting them to 'passive' once a stranger appears on short range d-scan or lands in your pocket while you have an MTU out is also 'unreasonable' and onerous I guess.

Both require a brain and active play, with the potential to be a conflict generator -- sounds like a win-win good game mechanic to me.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#19 - 2014-01-29 18:35:30 UTC
It's my pocket, I should be able to freely do as I please in it. If you have an urge to be in a pocket, see an agent and get your own. TBH this would all be fine if they would make HS missions unscannable. Then I could play the game in peace. My mission = my space (you shouldn't even be allowed in it)
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-01-29 18:38:34 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
It's my pocket, I should be able to freely do as I please in it. If you have an urge to be in a pocket, see an agent and get your own. TBH this would all be fine if they would make HS missions unscannable. Then I could play the game in peace. My mission = my space (you shouldn't even be allowed in it)

There you have it folks, the ongoing road to nerfdom in full display. Catch our next episode when Serendipity Lost says...

"Serendipity Lost > Wardecs should be consensual only, someone shouldnt be able to declare war on me in hisec when I am mission running and be able to shoot at me without my say so..."

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