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B-R5RB Crew Death

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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#1 - 2014-01-28 17:49:07 UTC
The most destructive battle in the history of the Empyrean-controlled outer regions was fought in and around system B-R5RB yesterday. Because this forum is overrun with bleeding-heart humanitarians, it might be interested in crew death statistics for the battle.

CONCORD has provided the following capital ship destruction totals. I have multiplied them by the minimum crew numbers for Empyrean piloted ships of each ship type. The range exists because each racial type has different crew requrements, Minmatar the highest and Gallente the lowest:

75 titans * (3,000 to 6,000 crew) = 225,000 to 450,000 titan crew
14 supercarriers * (1,000 to 1,700 crew) = 14,000 to 23,800 supercarrier crew
370 dreads * (300 to 800 crew) = 111,000 to 296,000 dread crew
123 carriers * (350 to 700 crew) = 43,050 to 86,100 carrier crew

All capital ship crew: 393,050 to 855,900. Note that this figure does not include subcapitals, which I gather were engaged in multiple systems, nor fighter or fighter-bomber pilots.

Note that these crew statistics are for empty ships; that is, ships without modules. Sadly, I do not have data for ships with modules; the guidelines cited above only provide statistics for empty ships and ships stuffed with passengers.

Also note that crew survival percentages for this battle will be very, very low due to the following:
— disproportionate destruction due to Doomsday strikes (versus "normal" combat)
— stealth bombing
— smartbombs
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#2 - 2014-01-28 18:05:50 UTC
I think it is safe to say that well over a million people died in this battle.

Nice age we live in, isn't it?

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2014-01-28 18:09:26 UTC
If those numbers are not reason enough to end this sort of warfare, I don't know what is. How many mothers, sons, and friends will spend their week in mourning now?

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-01-28 18:15:09 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
If those numbers are not reason enough to end this sort of warfare, I don't know what is. How many mothers, sons, and friends will spend their week in mourning now?


Not nearly as many as those who will be spending their week in celebration and merriment having trounced their opposition so decisively.

You live by the sword and you die by the sword. I imagine baseliner crew bonus compensation packages for the victors will be something to behold.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2014-01-28 18:18:54 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
If those numbers are not reason enough to end this sort of warfare, I don't know what is. How many mothers, sons, and friends will spend their week in mourning now?


Not nearly as many as those who will be spending their week in celebration and merriment having trounced their opposition so decisively.

You live by the sword and you die by the sword. I imagine baseliner crew bonus compensation packages for the victors will be something to behold.


"Defeat, like victory, is but a moment under the stars." But the fatherless are so to the end of their days. Those who value life find no comfort even in justified warfare, they are simple necessities.

Unfortunately, potential losses are increasing as non-imperial factions are becoming capable of building larger ships.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Del Vikus
Sundered Core
#6 - 2014-01-28 19:33:29 UTC
Pretty astonishing, all told. All for the glory and ISK, I suppose.

Say what you will about the empires and those who fight for them: there is at least some small attention paid to collateral damage. I guess that's also why the conflict drags on: an unwillingness to commit such colossal force, and the lives that go with that force.

Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2014-01-28 19:36:55 UTC
That is heartbreaking. What a waste of life.

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Zalmun
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-01-28 20:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Zalmun
I was at HED-GP, and I say KILL 'EM ALL!

Would you like to know more?
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-01-28 20:49:37 UTC
Zalmun wrote:
I was at HED-GP, and I say KILL 'EM ALL!

Would you like to know more?

Hearing Mittens talk about twisting the knife sent goosebumps on my skin.

Naupilus,
We do not fly capitals with the minimum crew (as you have listed), we fly with a full compliment. The average titan would have something like 80,000 people. Erebuses would be call it 60k at one end, Ragnaroks at 120ksih. Avatars would fly with 100k, most likely. Levithans 80k, there abouts.
Supercarriers would have their fighter bomber wing, so there's the personnel for that and the full compliment, call it 30,000.
Dreadnoughts and carriers would have around 10,000 people on board each. Carriers deployed with their full compliment of fighters, as well, bringing their numbers in line with the larger dreads.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#10 - 2014-01-28 20:52:27 UTC
I really don't see why this has to be always brought up. I can but roll my eyes on how some people act like they suddenly grew a conscience in the face of such staggering death tolls. Nearly all of those capsuleers who decry this sort of destruction have most likely killed untold thousands themselves during their careers, directly or indirectly. "But that was okay, because they were aligned with evil people", "But I just produce materials, not my fault how it gets used" "I just sell goods, not my business what people do with them.", aint that the sweet fragrance of self-deception? I guess whatever helps you sleep at night. We all have blood on our hands, our business is always dirty business. Learn to live with that, or retire.
Anslo
Scope Works
#11 - 2014-01-28 21:15:49 UTC
Rabble rable sadness. Rabble rabble justice. Rabble rabble hypocrite...seems the threads followed the normal IGS path. Anything left to talk about or can we get a lock here?

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Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-01-28 21:29:00 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
If those numbers are not reason enough to end this sort of warfare, I don't know what is. How many mothers, sons, and friends will spend their week in mourning now?


Actually Constantin I've heard talk of the destruction of Concord, the gates of Empire Space being opened to these fleets of several hundred Caps and Super Caps...

This is a mere taste of the future!

Insanity is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate - confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.

-- PKD

Del Vikus
Sundered Core
#13 - 2014-01-28 21:34:42 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Anything left to talk about or can we get a lock here?


I'm sure we could come to a consensus about getting you locked out, sure.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-01-28 21:38:19 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
I really don't see why this has to be always brought up. I can but roll my eyes on how some people act like they suddenly grew a conscience in the face of such staggering death tolls. Nearly all of those capsuleers who decry this sort of destruction have most likely killed untold thousands themselves during their careers, directly or indirectly. "But that was okay, because they were aligned with evil people", "But I just produce materials, not my fault how it gets used" "I just sell goods, not my business what people do with them.", aint that the sweet fragrance of self-deception? I guess whatever helps you sleep at night. We all have blood on our hands, our business is always dirty business. Learn to live with that, or retire.


Honesty such as you describe would deny the chance at IGS melodramatics by others, however.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Zalmun
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2014-01-28 22:18:17 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

We do not fly capitals with the minimum crew (as you have listed), we fly with a full compliment. The average titan would have something like 80,000 people. Erebuses would be call it 60k at one end, Ragnaroks at 120ksih. Avatars would fly with 100k, most likely. Levithans 80k, there abouts.
Supercarriers would have their fighter bomber wing, so there's the personnel for that and the full compliment, call it 30,000.
Dreadnoughts and carriers would have around 10,000 people on board each. Carriers deployed with their full compliment of fighters, as well, bringing their numbers in line with the larger dreads.


Our Federation is amply supplied with volunteer crews from the Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere. Many volunteers jump at the opportunity to leave behind their consumer electronics and robotics sweatshops to see the universe. They know what they're signing up for.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#16 - 2014-01-29 01:05:20 UTC
I have to go with my honest opinion here: Meh.Straight

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Morgan Wulver
SAYR Reserve Guard
SAYR Galactic
#17 - 2014-01-29 01:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Wulver
If one person dies it's a tragedy. If a million die, it's a statistic.

Maybe this is some sort of evolutionary safeguard to prevent each and every one of us from being a crippled emotional wreck in the face of such catastrophes, but when so many lives have been spent at such a rapid rate it doesn't seem to register to me. It's less like individual lives have been claimed and more on par with having just set fire to an insect hive.

I can't feel rage for the people who caused this, I can't feel happiness for those who survived, and I can't bring myself to see a reason for our universe to change. Whenever I see statistics like what occurred in B-R5RB, I just feel a light melancholy that seems to dissipate with a quick shrug.

So I suppose I just don't care. It doesn't effect the State, so it doesn't effect me.

Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#18 - 2014-01-29 02:05:26 UTC
As heartless as it may sound, it's effects on anything but the involved parties have been positive. I'm happy to let null slaughter itself while shouting "See! We are do big stuff!", while I focus on the issues at home. It does explain the sudden influx of crew applicants from the middle of nowhere, however, so it's a bit heartening to see some people still possess survival instincts. Beyond that, it's an industrial and resourcing opportunity here, nothing more.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#19 - 2014-01-29 02:21:48 UTC
Gods and spirits...

Malkalen pales in comparison, yet I doubt there will be a memorial held for the people that died in this battle.
Anslo
Scope Works
#20 - 2014-01-29 02:22:47 UTC
Del Vikus wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Anything left to talk about or can we get a lock here?


I'm sure we could come to a consensus about getting you locked out, sure.

Before or after the Minmatar are locked out of their stations in the war zone?~

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