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-EM- Electus Matari announces its imminent closure

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#61 - 2014-01-27 04:51:04 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:


And how's that all worked out for you? The Jove spanked you and sent you packing at Vak'Atioth and we rose up and kicked you out of our space. You just got lucky at Mekhios in that your zombie queen happened upon some one-shot, one time use piece of technology and turned up just in the nick of time.


My point has always been that those setbacks are a direct result of the problems I mentioned.



Anabella Rella wrote:

Anyway, why are you so big on defending the people who view you as a heretic and murderer?


I was pointing out the error of Baracca's mentality is all.

We can discuss this elsewhere, but I do consider myself a defender of the Amarr, much more than the current Imperials at least.


Anyway, back to all of our collective happy dances at EM dissolving, yes?




Sabik now, Sabik forever

Erin Savonarola
Doomheim
#62 - 2014-01-27 04:54:16 UTC
The policy of the Empire is to make the Cluster Amarr.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#63 - 2014-01-27 04:59:49 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:

I believe I've found the root of your problems, dear.


It has never been for the people of Amarr to promote 'cross cultural understanding.'

It has always been for the Amarr to impose others to understand our culture. At the point of a sword, the end of a rifle, or through the pages of scripture.

Our will upon others, not others' will upon us.


It's an old point to be making but most of the Empire's current failings stem from forgetting this simple truth.


And how's that all worked out for you? The Jove spanked you and sent you packing at Vak'Atioth and we rose up and kicked you out of our space. You just got lucky at Mekhios in that your zombie queen happened upon some one-shot, one time use piece of technology and turned up just in the nick of time.

Anyway, why are you so big on defending the people who view you as a heretic and murderer?


The easy answer is that, though she is of a heretical religious sect and is certainly viewed as a criminal and murderer, she is an Amarrian criminal and murderer. You have to own your own problems and issues; the Sani Sabik are largely made up of ours. By that same token, though, she probably doesn't recognize the authority of our "zombie queen," doesn't necessarily count herself as having been lucky at Mekhios considering we didn't end up completely razing each others' security apparatuses to the ground, and isn't defending the Amarr as a people. She's speaking towards me but she is not talking to me. She's talking to you.

It's most likely that she is attempting to elicit the precise response you just gave her. She has considerable practice at, and success with, leading people about by the nose that way.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#64 - 2014-01-27 05:00:32 UTC
Meklon wrote:

The only way I'll ever be an asset to your type will be if I rig several doomsday devices to one of my hulls and detonate the entire bloody thing into Amarr Prime.


I'd really rather you not do that. I live on that planet, along with my wife and children.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#65 - 2014-01-27 07:57:11 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:


Anyway, back to all of our collective happy dances at EM dissolving, yes?



I for one will be wary in case the cancer of EM metastises

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Meklon
Minmatar United Freedom Front
#66 - 2014-01-27 12:02:14 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

I for one will be wary in case the cancer of EM metastises


A very wise choice there.... you never know what's around the corner.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#67 - 2014-01-27 13:21:19 UTC
Meklon wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:


Those few former-EM members who remember when this fight started have the potential to make valuable assets......




Even now you still try to treat us as cattle, or mere objects.

The only way I'll ever be an asset to your type will be if I rig several doomsday devices to one of my hulls and detonate the entire bloody thing into Amarr Prime.

Not sure how that's an asset to you exactly, but I don't care, the principle stands.


And this sort of thing is why pulse lasers will be involved in any meeting we have.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-01-27 16:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Silas Vitalia
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Statement


Well you know what they say about Heretical clocks, yes?

They are still right twice a day.


That you would rather trade words and "cultural understanding" with these sorts of Matari instead of being thankful for their misfortune speaks volumes.

In a larger context it means on some of the important issues, the gulf between much of the True Amarr and myself is a good deal narrower than the gulf between your outlook and theirs.


Perhaps you can start a separate discussion on this issue, I'd love to delve further.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#69 - 2014-01-27 16:31:48 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Statement


Well you know what they say about Heretical clocks, yes?

They are still right twice a day.


That you would rather trade words and "cultural understanding" with these sorts of Matari instead of being thankful for their misfortune speaks volumes.

In a larger context it means on some of the important issues, the gulf between much of the True Amarr and myself is a good deal narrower than the gulf between your outlook and theirs.


Perhaps you can start a separate discussion on this issue, I'd love to delve further.


I simply find all life to have value, I can't say that human suffering is good for any person simply because they've been raised in a different part of space and in a divorced culture. That the destruction of the Elder Fleet was necessary is not up for debate. Whether the loss of life was a good thing is. There wasn't a way to avoid it, but that doesn't mean we should be pleased that so many had to die in the name of our security. Killing is a necessary act to be done in defense of the Empire, not something to be proud of or pleased about.

If you would like to debate whether we should engage in imperial schaudenfreude, I would be perfectly willing to engage you in that debate.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#70 - 2014-01-27 20:42:40 UTC
Meklon wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

I for one will be wary in case the cancer of EM metastises


A very wise choice there.... you never know what's around the corner.


Oh I don't know about that. You've always been pretty predictable.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Meklon
Minmatar United Freedom Front
#71 - 2014-01-27 21:00:02 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

Oh I don't know about that. You've always been pretty predictable.


I must say, that's one word I never thought would be associated with myself. Though it has got me slightly worried about which parts of my activities you've been predicting.
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#72 - 2014-01-27 23:29:12 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Statement


Well you know what they say about Heretical clocks, yes?

They are still right twice a day.


That you would rather trade words and "cultural understanding" with these sorts of Matari instead of being thankful for their misfortune speaks volumes.

In a larger context it means on some of the important issues, the gulf between much of the True Amarr and myself is a good deal narrower than the gulf between your outlook and theirs.


Perhaps you can start a separate discussion on this issue, I'd love to delve further.


I simply find all life to have value, I can't say that human suffering is good for any person simply because they've been raised in a different part of space and in a divorced culture. That the destruction of the Elder Fleet was necessary is not up for debate. Whether the loss of life was a good thing is. There wasn't a way to avoid it, but that doesn't mean we should be pleased that so many had to die in the name of our security. Killing is a necessary act to be done in defense of the Empire, not something to be proud of or pleased about.

If you would like to debate whether we should engage in imperial schaudenfreude, I would be perfectly willing to engage you in that debate.


The thing is.

To my mind Bishop Baracca demonstrates a considerable amount of faith in venturing into outright hostile space to preach unarmed. If the Amarrian faith is truly the best path for humanity then weapons, whips, TCMC's, Vitoc and other such tools should be irrelevant. All that really counts is the word.

The mainstream of Imperial society seems to be so afraid of other ways of seeing the world that it must carefully isolate subjects, both free and otherwise, from them in order to protect their own. To me this demonstrates a huge lack of faith. It is the main reason why I feel the empire is based around a lie, and must be resisted.

A secondary reason is the existence of twisted mirrors of the Imperial mainstream like Vitalia and her ilk, or those idiots in the Equilibrium of Mankind. The empire does seem to spawn this sort of thing on a depressingly regular basis. So much so that I suspect it started as a particularly energetic heresy itself.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#73 - 2014-01-28 00:57:46 UTC
Arnulf OgunkoyaThe thing is.

To my mind Bishop Baracca demonstrates a considerable amount of faith in venturing into outright hostile space to preach unarmed. If the Amarrian faith is truly the best path for humanity then weapons, whips, TCMC's, Vitoc and other such tools should be irrelevant. All that really counts is the word.

The mainstream of Imperial society seems to be so afraid of other ways of seeing the world that it must carefully isolate subjects, both free and otherwise, from them in order to protect their own. To me this demonstrates a huge [b wrote:
lack [/b]of faith. It is the main reason why I feel the empire is based around a lie, and must be resisted.

A secondary reason is the existence of twisted mirrors of the Imperial mainstream like Vitalia and her ilk, or those idiots in the Equilibrium of Mankind. The empire does seem to spawn this sort of thing on a depressingly regular basis. So much so that I suspect it started as a particularly energetic heresy itself.


To be fair to us, our space covers almost half the cluster. We are bound to have more pirates. However, it is true that faith can be a frightening thing to behold when one loses the way. The Word specifically spells out our role and what we are meant to do with our time; what we live for, if you will. It is meant to be a life lived humbly, focusing on scholarship and respect. Stringing people up like cattle and draining their blood into a chalice is somewhat outside of what can reasonably be attributed to faith alone. When Matari go bad, they hence to nullsec to prey on the weak, kill the innocent, and steal their possessions. Amarrian pirates simply don't mind the possessions and try fruitlessly to somehow drink the soul through the aorta. Same thing, in a way, just that material possessions aren't a necessarily larger part of the Sani Sabik heresy than the true faith, so Amarrian pirates try to steal the ephemeral.

The mainstream of Amarr society is unfortunately quite a bit like the mainstream of Matari society. Of course, they would never randomly kill unarmed strangers in the street, but they've heard that happens all the time across the cluster. It rarely works that way, despite appearances, we'd come a long way before the setback of the Elder Fleet and even that damage wasn't too horrendous on street level. Especially considering my race and vocation, coupled with the promises of violence both Matari and Imperial citizens promise will greet me on the surface, it's sometimes surprising how little outright rudeness I run into in the Republic. Perhaps Matari people have better memories of the Scriptural teachers than the Holders and I represent something a bit less maligned in my society. Or maybe it's simply the shock of actually seeing me there that people forget they want me dead.

It's a mixed bag, sometimes you run into the ones that want you and your family eviscerated, sometimes you get invited to bless someone's house for tradition's sake, and then most of the time if you're polite people simply leave you alone. Truth be told, I can't think offhand of any Matari who specifically hate me and no one has ever directly, purposefully threatened me (though I do receive quite a few bits and pieces of mail telling me to be careful). I think Matari tend to hate the Empire and those elements it represents that they don't like. They don't usually hate every single Imperial citizen they've ever met and truly want them dead.

Or maybe anyone that does want all the Amarrians dead is out in the warzone. I'm not sure; I simply count my blessings that foreign space isn't really full of people itching to skewer the priest. It's certainly bolstered my faith in humanity.

All I can say is that, while fear of entering another culture isn't completely unfounded, it's not nearly as dangerous as you'd think as long as you mind your manners and know where the toes are so that you don't step on them. I wrote a piece about that some time ago. Part of being able to share an important part of your culture, or in my case the faith, means being willing to experience the culture of other people. Even ardent Matari revolutionaries will listen to you talk about the Word after you've played ball with them for a few hours or attended one of their local music concerts with open ears.

Or it may be that I've been extremely fortunate so far and could be shot tomorrow by some nationalist or another. It's hard to tell. It's certainly been worth the risk, though.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Eric Stratton
Sanxing Yi
#74 - 2014-01-29 02:13:51 UTC
It would be odd if no one from Re-Awakened chimed in.

I remember my first weeks and months in pod, hearing Arkady Sadik offer useful advice to travelers through Republic low-sec, and then later dealing with Evanda Char as she dealt in Sleeper relics in the Ani constellation, years before we had the opportunity to investigate wormhole space. Later still, I was in a small-time alliance, in a small-time corp where Electus Matari aided in patrolling Molden Heath low-sec along with F0undation. After that, serving in the militia I had further opportunities to work with this fine alliance.

Little did I know I would eventually end up in Re-Awakened Technologies itself. It was a great opportunity, and a good run. I still regret that events transpired as they did, leading to Re-Awakened's departure from the alliance. I wish you all the best of luck, and hope we all have the opportunity to work together again.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-01-29 02:59:46 UTC
While I often disagreed with EMs way of doing things, it is sad to see them go. Your cause was noble and just and proved to your enemies and even your Gallente comrades that the Minmatar military groups were not bands of mauraders, but a well organized and tactical force to be reckoned with.

Best of luck to your corporations and pilots. May they keep "fighting the good fight" as I believe its said.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Lingustica
Moonraker Mutual Industries Co operative
#76 - 2014-01-30 21:46:16 UTC
Sad to see EM disappear.....
duch crystal
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#77 - 2014-02-05 16:06:02 UTC
It is a shame to see EM disband beeing them my brothers and sisters for more then 6 years.
We had some good times wich included fights with Pirates of the Matari regions, GFGF all Lol

I hope that every corp finds something new to do, just as i did. Hope to see u all on the battlefield ( on whatever side )

Best Wishes to Luti, Gradient, Bionesis especially.. I am very gratefull for the times we had.
Godspeed!!

~ Duch

CloqMeister 2000 of Mostly Harmful Pirate Corp.



Every Saint has a past, Every Sinner has a future Oscar Wild

Kahar Dex
Imperial Dreams
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#78 - 2014-02-10 01:16:27 UTC
No surprises here. Where Amarr still stands strong and united in God, Empire, and Empress, the matari terrorists can not hope to remain united due to "human resource problems".

Another Godless institution falls by the wayside. Let all take stock of their souls, and consider the unwavering security and solidarity that exists among all true believers of God and Amarr.

His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex

Z'zauoe Euopaeqorua
Doomheim
#79 - 2014-02-10 11:49:28 UTC
I find these news sad for minmatar and thukker community.

I fought alongside EM in my previous life.
Zenito
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#80 - 2014-02-10 12:52:06 UTC
Z'zauoe Euopaeqorua wrote:
I find these news sad for minmatar and thukker community.

I fought alongside EM in my previous life.


The news of EM's dissolution was not met with any particular sadness amongst our Caravan, Tribesman.

Zenitoka Katanga

Clan Chieftain

"A fair bargain leaves both sides unhappy."