Ships & Modules

Stacking penalties are hard.

welllll..for the FUN sake of it- it's nice to see the numbers- compare- and pick the one with more pew pew.
Some of us are math geeks and love the number crunch, but I think most just want the result- this is a GAME and we have to remember that-- although prob the most complex game I have ever encountered, other than my little....uh...nvm

I was giving the man some wiggle room. God knows he deserves it.

But yeah, EFT is out....

The way modules affect drones has been the bane of sentry boat pilots since the little beggars were first launched.

There has never been a drone Info panel reflecting anything other than "stock" stats for a drone in space. That continues to this day.

Briefly, for the last several months we've had the ability to see how passive modules affect drone stats as long as the drones were still in the drone bay. That's been useful, if not ideal.

Now, though, with the advent of the active ODL even that has been b*ggered up. To make matters worse, CCP have seen fit not just to script it, but to completely nerf the base stats of the module.

How the true power of the Garde II on a full-skilled Domi pilot has been nerfed into oblivion can be summed up like this:

Pre-1.1 Rubicon
T2 ODL - 25% optimal range and 25% tracking speed.

Triple T2 ODL fit:
Tracking 0.086
Optimal 71.7km
Falloff 12km

Post=-1.1 Rubicon:
T2 ODL - 7.5(15)% optimal range, 15(30)% falloff, 15(30)% tracking speed (script stats in parentheses)

Triple T2 ODL fit *no scripts*
Tracking 0.069
Optimal 49.2km
Falloff 16.9km

Triple T2 ODL fit *range scripts*
Tracking 0.049
Optimal 58.2km
Falloff 23km

Triple T2 ODL fit *tracking scripts*
Tracking 0.095
Optimal 41.2km
Falloff 12km

So while triple tracking scripts do give marginally better tracking performance than pre-1.1, it's at the cost of an optimal range reduced by over 30km. And that, by any standard, is a sh*t ton of nerf.

Even triple Fed Navy ODL's with range scripts will only give a Garde II 59.5km optimal. Granted the falloff's almost doubled, but the tracking is back at a poxy 0.049.

In short - the dumbing down of the ODL module's base stats (splitting off optimal & falloff and giving the Optimal Range bonus the short end of the stick) means we're left with a bunch of ships whose primary weapons platform has been royally screwed.

And the fact that we have to resort to a (albeit superb) Third Party app to get even the most basic stats for our drones, when the game itself should be providing them wholesale, strikes me as ridiculous.

One very peeved Domi pilot

Go closer.

You use a napkin for your calculations???? I carve mine in slate.

Well, nothing actually is at max skill- still training- (only been playing 4 months) and all t1 stuff until I can actually get it except for the dda, so the nerf maybe hits me a little harder.
Im sure I wont blink once my skill are up and the t2 stuff is loaded

they don't work at all- or the are just not registering on the tool-tip?

On a fully skilled pilot for a range bonused boat. Much like scorch on a Paladin, if you use that as your only frame of reference you get a distorted view of how it performs in general.

The nerf makes it almost impossible to hit smaller targets with slightest traversal using Gardes. If they are closer than say 50km, you won't hit them because of tracking. If targets are any further away, the are absurdly deep into falloff and apply hardly any damage. Cruiser size targets have a small window where Gardes can apply half of their usual damage.

As its impossible to dictate range using sentry and droneboats with competitive damage output are poor when it comes to tanking: the are useless now.

Concerning any other sentry type: seems optimalmods became almost pointless, damage still isn't competitive from a pve perspective