Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because miners need to be ganked, that's just the way of the universe. You can't argue with that.

Good question. I think this is the best answer I have for it.

An option that confronts PvP outside of high sec space, and fights back as an option most probable to it's best profit / survivability ratio.

The threat of hostilities is shown to result in ships docking up to avoid risk, which this ship could withstand and therefore remain active in the field.

For each hour it would remain active, that it's cousins remain docked, it justifies the skill and other costs needed to bring it into the belt.

using offensive strength rather than defensive as a means to defend itself.

taking the skiff in hi-sec as an example. tough and unlikely to be fruitful in a suicide gank. but take ten of those same skiffs and put them in null or WH and they become an (relatively) easy target for a small gang.

now consider a mining BS that can wield respectable DPS with a slightly lower mining yield. In hi-sec it provides no real benefit over a skiff. but in hostile space, the DPS that ten of these can bring to bear acts as a deterrent to small gangs.

Maybe it will behave much like the mining domi's and rokhs of old, but why not allow it to use strip miners rather than inefficient mining lasers and drones. especially when its intended area of use contains the largest of ores.

In WH's they might be a nice option since u dnt always know when someone is in system. u dnt have the luxury of locals free intel and may only be aware ur under attack when ur enemies uncloak on grid. by which point its too late to run. its time to fight.

no?

With the time I have been thinking, I think I should give it the PG/CPU/Capacitor of a BS so you can fit it to be a BS. It will also have enough of a Cap Recharge Rate to handle some Strip Miners and some extra equipment. Now all I need to do is research some battleships and try to come up with some numbers.

Very interesting thread. Similar threads about mining ships have been expressed before but I'll take a stab at answering this question:


Riot Girl said:

I said it needs to have potential to be profitable, or to at least minimize losses significantly. The problem is, if there is no incentive for people to gank these ships, then the miners will be left alone to mine AFK all day long.

Also:

Which brings me back to my previous question. If it has comparable tank and less yield than a barge, then what is for?

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I mine High and W-space with Venture's and Barges. This concept of the 'armed miner' is for those folks who like to mine alone (or small groups) in bad places.

If you were a member of a mining corp you wouldn't need/want this ship because its neither a very good miner nor a very good combat ship. There are better ships available for those specific tasks, assuming you have folks who will fill them. This would also be true of the null Corps for the same reason.

As for high sec mining I wouldn't want it. Yes high sec gankers exist but that threat is mitigated by using a teaspoon of intelligence. I would not trade the mining yield and ore capacity of the barges/exhumers for the negligible threat posed by the high-sec suicide ganks.

I never recommend low-sec mining under any circumstances solo as the risk/reward calculation is definitely adverse for the miner. There is simply too much pirate activity for low reward.

I am not an expert on null as I tend to avoid it. Potentially, mining in a 'largely empty' area can be very lucrative... the problem is that for those of us with limited play time the effort it takes to get there. (Flying scouts, taking roundabout routes, etc.) Then assuming you get there to your ideal asteroid belt you then have to deal with belt rats in an unarmed ship makes it not worth the effort. Having an ORE battleship as the thread author suggests would change the equation here. This is where it could have its most potential value. It could definitely draw out players into null where there are none now.

It would definitely have potential in W-space as well and could speed up mining operations particularly if it had scan bonuses and could take out sleepers... I suspect the devs would never throw that in so most likely you will remain in a dedicated combat vessel for taking out the NPCs in W-space.

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I also have another suggestion about fits and the ship's potential role. It could also act as a mining command ship without the docking bay, huge cargo capacity and clone vat that you see in the Orca and Rorqual. For small group miners, both those ships are a significant outlay of ISK/risk and not necessarily readily available. Now combat command ships are battlecruiser size vessels so I don't see why an Ore Battleship can't be an ORE command vessel.

So to answer your question Riot Girl.
- This ship would draw mining players out of high sec and try their luck in W, low and null space.
- It could potentially be the 'poor miner's' command ship for those of us who can't afford an Orca or Rorqual.

u say it would be simpler to rework the orca than create a new concept, then mention that the reworked orca would need an entirely new module that would completely change the way it works and would make the orca and overpowered mining machine that obsoletes existing ships with its 200k ehp tank and much larger capacity. precisely what we were trying to avoid.

nah...i think we were closer to getting somewhere with a new concept and ship lol.

as for the way this BS could have the potential for mining and damage:

drones?
its simple, easy and doesnt affect other mods on the ship. with 2 highslots for strip miners, a 125mbit drone bandwidth with a 10% drone damage bonus per level puts it to about 500dps. then add a 5% yield to strip miners per level and u've got something that mines about (a little less than) as much as a barge but can deal moderate damage to targets of varying sizes.

encourage an armour tank over a shield tank with slot layout and pilots will be balancing dps/agility/yield/tank all with their low slots. leading to meaningful choices.

I updated the OP.

But what is stopping miners from fitting 6 Strip Miners and basically making a tri-bred ship?
Yield of a Hulk, Ore Hold comparable to a Mack, and comparable tank to a Procurer.

I may disagree with a lot of your posts, but damn I love this one.

Gankers already have every single one of their tear-stained whiney-assed wish list items handed to them on a silver platter by devs who hate hisec with a passion, and you now demand that every damned ship in the game be profitable for you to gank?

Get off your lazy ass and go work for a living. Go build something. Go make something. Go EARN your ISK, instead of expecting people like me to just give you everything you want.

In short, stop proving the truth in my long-stated opinion that gankers and (bad) pirates are the whiniest, most tear-filled, cowardly, and lazy Eve players that exist.

(Yes, there actually ARE some GOOD pirates out there. Their adventures make good reading, they don't complain that the Decon station needs to be rotated, they honor ransomes, they don't complain that they can't catch a stabbed T1 industrial, and they're willing to PVP! Not be little Noob-Corp Catalyst-flying über-leet tear harvester unwilling to actually risk anything.)