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CCP road to nerfdom continues

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#141 - 2014-01-28 14:39:10 UTC
Agondray wrote:
Oh no you cant use CONCORD to gank your precious mission runners now.

MoAr TeArS...I MUST HAVE MORE

You should try reading before commenting. They were shooting MTUs and then popping people whose drones were set to aggressive and automatically engaged them, thus inadvertently dropping the mission runner into a limited engagement.

Concord don't get involved in limited engagements.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#142 - 2014-01-28 15:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
For me there is a simple question that can be applied to every change CCP proposes, that either validates its roots or rips them up in pursuit of WoW-reject subs....

"Does the proposed change increase opportunities for conflict, or reduce them?"

(Cold dark place, remember?)

So, does this bubble wrapping of drone aggression for the little carebears who already have a 'passive' drone setting at their disposal increase or reduce opportunities for conflict?

No, it reduces conflict, in such a blatant way contrasted with the existing 'passive' setting protections that it is clearly just yet another road sign on the road to nerfdom.

CCP has lost the plot.
Good Posting
Doomheim
#143 - 2014-01-28 15:08:50 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:


(Cold dark place, remember?)



Yeah, a cold dark place where little brats whine all day. Don't make me laugh.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#144 - 2014-01-28 15:15:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.


LOL

That's like the pot calling the kettle metallic.
Quote:

I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you.


Or, i can fight for the Restoration of EVE. I hear Malcanis decided to not run for CSM again...now there's an Idea.

I know I can count on your vote brother, right?


Funnily enough, Malcanis asked me if I was considering running, and I was counting on you to run my campaign.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#145 - 2014-01-28 15:18:29 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.


LOL

That's like the pot calling the kettle metallic.
Quote:

I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you.


Or, i can fight for the Restoration of EVE. I hear Malcanis decided to not run for CSM again...now there's an Idea.

I know I can count on your vote brother, right?


Funnily enough, Malcanis asked me if I was considering running, and I was counting on you to run my campaign.


I did not know there was a Highsec Carebear Apologist Conspiracy Theory platform.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#146 - 2014-01-28 15:31:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.


LOL

That's like the pot calling the kettle metallic.
Quote:

I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you.


Or, i can fight for the Restoration of EVE. I hear Malcanis decided to not run for CSM again...now there's an Idea.

I know I can count on your vote brother, right?


Funnily enough, Malcanis asked me if I was considering running, and I was counting on you to run my campaign.


I'd love to run your campaign (I had the phone bank set up to call New Order pilots for their support), but I can't , I got secret Nulluminati meetings scheduled for the next few months. On the agenda is how to use the Empire Navy LP we will be drowning in to buy up all the armor mods so as to kill high sec the armor incursion once and for all seeing as our manipulaton of CCP to change your paladin only hurt them but didn't kill them.

At the next meeting (we'll meet in Davos with the rest of thew worlds Cartels) I'll ask Mittani to assign you a Goon as chief of staff so you can get on the CSM.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#147 - 2014-01-28 15:36:48 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.


LOL

That's like the pot calling the kettle metallic.
Quote:

I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you.


Or, i can fight for the Restoration of EVE. I hear Malcanis decided to not run for CSM again...now there's an Idea.

I know I can count on your vote brother, right?


Funnily enough, Malcanis asked me if I was considering running, and I was counting on you to run my campaign.


I'd love to run your campaign (I had the phone bank set up to call New Order pilots for their support), but I can't , I got secret Nulluminati meetings scheduled for the next few months. On the agenda is how to use the Empire Navy LP we will be drowning in to buy up all the armor mods so as to kill high sec the armor incursion once and for all seeing as our manipulaton of CCP to change your paladin only hurt them but didn't kill them.

At the next meeting (we'll meet in I'll ask Mittani to assign you a Goon as chief of staff so you can get on the CSM.




Oh, please assign him Darius Johnson. I would want to see that campaign.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Nova Satar
Pator Tech School
#148 - 2014-01-28 15:43:34 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
For me there is a simple question that can be applied to every change CCP proposes, that either validates its roots or rips them up in pursuit of WoW-reject subs....

"Does the proposed change increase opportunities for conflict, or reduce them?"

(Cold dark place, remember?)

So, does this bubble wrapping of drone aggression for the little carebears who already have a 'passive' drone setting at their disposal increase or reduce opportunities for conflict?

No, it reduces conflict, in such a blatant way contrasted with the existing 'passive' setting protections that it is clearly just yet another road sign on the road to nerfdom.

CCP has lost the plot.


EVE used to be full of fun little mechanisms and methods to punish ignorance and stupidty, it was actually one of the poitns always used when reviewing the games and something loved by those inside and outside of eve. Long has that time now passed and we are just left with a game where everything is passive by default and designed to pander for those who do not wish to research mechanics or LEARN the game they play.

People used to joke about needing a safety button on their guns....
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#149 - 2014-01-28 15:55:22 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I'd love to run your campaign (I had the phone bank set up to call New Order pilots for their support), but I can't , I got secret Nulluminati meetings scheduled for the next few months. On the agenda is how to use the Empire Navy LP we will be drowning in to buy up all the armor mods so as to kill high sec the armor incursion once and for all seeing as our manipulaton of CCP to change your paladin only hurt them but didn't kill them.

At the next meeting (we'll meet in I'll ask Mittani to assign you a Goon as chief of staff so you can get on the CSM.




Not enough likes in the world for this post. Dinsdale should totally run for the CSM just to see if he can beat the all-time low for votes, not to mention the fresh outpouring of bizarre conspiracy theories that will accompany his certain defeat.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#150 - 2014-01-28 15:59:12 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:


People used to joke about needing a safety button on their guns....


wee teh peeple can not bee trussed to yuse the saefty butan proper

kan wee hav a PIN numbre or code on teh butan sow wee done turne it off bye aksident

"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#151 - 2014-01-28 16:34:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Billy McCandless wrote:
Nova Satar wrote:


People used to joke about needing a safety button on their guns....


wee teh peeple can not bee trussed to yuse the saefty butan proper

kan wee hav a PIN numbre or code on teh butan sow wee done turne it off bye aksident

No, no, no. There should be an application process to turn the safety off, and it should be strictly regulated. The application process should be determined by whoever runs the Eve Uni application process, but as a starter

  • The applicant must pay a non refundable fee of 2B isk before starting the process.
  • The applicant must be able to provide good reason, in the form of an essay of no less than 2500 words, for the change to their personal safety switch settings.
  • The applicant should be subject to a monthly psychological evaluation, at their own cost. Said evaluations to be carried out by a group of no less than 10 of the internet mental health professionals present on the forums.
  • The applicant should hold their own public liability insurance to recompense any pilots that may be harmed due to their actions.
  • The processing authority shall reserve the right to remove the ability to change safety settings at any time, for any reason, or just because they feel like it.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Usagi Toshiro
Null Tax Crew
#152 - 2014-01-28 16:35:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Usagi Toshiro
Man, usually it's the carebears that whine when something is made "harder." Now we have a "not-bear" crying because they have to go back to their old mechanic of baiting and taunting?

It's like handing a gun to a guy on a killing spree because the knives he's using are too slow and then taking it back because it works too well, all the while saying "have fun pwning noobs."

Roll

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Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#153 - 2014-01-28 16:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Only idiots ever claimed it was an intended feature.

Carmen Electra wrote:
Tears from the "HTFU" crowd, best tears.



so true

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049

CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#154 - 2014-01-28 16:48:42 UTC
Ok this thread has devolved pretty hard, so I'm gonna lock it.

The bottom line is that when we release features, sometimes they have unintended interactions with other features. Sometimes this adds depth to the game by creating a new interaction that doesn't violate any of the base rules of EVE and adds depth, other times it riddles systems with needless exceptions and useless complexity.

There are a few core rules and mechanics in EVE, and the crimewatch system is one of them. We will never actively introduce a feature that circumvents this safety, and any features that break this rule will be fixed at the soonest possible date. Unwillingly entering a limited engagement without accepting a duel, altering your crimewatch safety, or interacting with the UI in some purposeful way will never be a thing.

CCP Dolan | Community Representative

Twitter: @CCPDolan

Gooby pls