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CCP road to nerfdom continues

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Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2014-01-28 12:33:04 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Tears from the "HTFU" crowd, best tears.


Oh god, this. So much this.

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com

Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#122 - 2014-01-28 12:48:43 UTC
I'm not going to wade too deeply into the "logical" arguments in this thread, because I value my intelligence and my sanity and I believe both would be at risk if I did that. From what I have read, I gathered that some of you are having trouble understanding why the MTU "bug" was "nerfed". It seems pretty straight forward to me. (I could be wrong.) But rather than try to boil it down in words you all will understand and accept, I just drew you a picture.

Player vs. non-Player

If you shoot the red stuff, the drones can shoot BACK.
If you shoot the blue stuff, the drones will have to shoot FIRST.

Now, which of the blue things do you think CCP should turn to red and why?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#123 - 2014-01-28 13:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes...

Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor.

" Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target."

Why?

Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites.

I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine.

F


CCP coddles high sec because they know that high sec players can't deal with real EVE, so they give them EVE light.

This is why you find "incursions-lite" in high sec as well. Real incursions (in low and null) put Sansha NPCs on gates to gank unaware fools who try to pass through.

However somehow (magically) in high sec the same CONCORD and Empire Navies that are too weak to stop the incursion are still powerful enough to come out of nowhere to kill a capsuleer ship that aggresses someone else, and also strong enough to keep EVERY sansha NPC off the gates so freaking freighters on autopilot can pass through. CCP does this because they have no choice, many players don't have the spine to play EVE or any non-coddling video game.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#124 - 2014-01-28 13:22:07 UTC
As fun as it was I didn't see this feature lasting much longer. Bears simply cannot be expected to flip a switch on their drones to avoid this very easy to avoid situation.
ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone
Caldari State
#125 - 2014-01-28 13:31:36 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
If you want to non-consentually kill mission runners, why not come out to NPC 0.0 where there are hundreds of mission runners waiting for people just like you!

What??!! And actually be in danger of losing a fight to another player?! That would require a certain kind of honor that is missing entirely from the ganking repertoire.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2014-01-28 13:36:26 UTC
so after 7 pages of thread what we do have here?
1) standard crap from 0.0 publords and wannabees "waaa, waaa. high-sec too safe!"
2) reasonable comments about topic supporting this fix

If you watch forums for some time you will see that these 2 groups are separated. And most of the time you don't need to look at post, you just look at poster and you know already what will he say.

And here is the question to OP: did you really need to make this useless thread? Wasn't lots of them around already?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2014-01-28 13:37:44 UTC
Highsec mission gankers dont miss honor. Noone in EVE has that.
Highsec mission ganking is just another way to make ISK, just like miner ganking or bumping.

That said, if the rules change, you either change with them or you cry. This guy here is an awesomely entertaining version of a crying mission ganker.

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com

Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#128 - 2014-01-28 13:42:54 UTC
OP failed to HTFU.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#129 - 2014-01-28 13:50:25 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
so after 7 pages of thread what we do have here?
1) standard crap from 0.0 publords and wannabees "waaa, waaa. high-sec too safe!"
2) reasonable comments about topic supporting this fix

If you watch forums for some time you will see that these 2 groups are separated. And most of the time you don't need to look at post, you just look at poster and you know already what will he say.

And here is the question to OP: did you really need to make this useless thread? Wasn't lots of them around already?


What was hard about avoiding this anyway?

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#130 - 2014-01-28 13:56:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
so after 7 pages of thread what we do have here?
1) standard crap from 0.0 publords and wannabees "waaa, waaa. high-sec too safe!"
2) reasonable comments about topic supporting this fix

If you watch forums for some time you will see that these 2 groups are separated. And most of the time you don't need to look at post, you just look at poster and you know already what will he say.

And here is the question to OP: did you really need to make this useless thread? Wasn't lots of them around already?


What was hard about avoiding this anyway?



Anything requiring knowledge of the thing you are doing or a sense of personal responsibility is always too hard for some. Somehow I managed to mission my backside off in Lanngisi while avoiding this problem (because I read actual patch notes), but expecting others to do that is asking to much I guess.

The real sign of becoming a bittervet is when you realize you are mourning the inch by inch loss of the only real adult "thinking required" game that existed.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#131 - 2014-01-28 14:07:43 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Jenn aSide wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
so after 7 pages of thread what we do have here?
1) standard crap from 0.0 publords and wannabees "waaa, waaa. high-sec too safe!"
2) reasonable comments about topic supporting this fix

If you watch forums for some time you will see that these 2 groups are separated. And most of the time you don't need to look at post, you just look at poster and you know already what will he say.

And here is the question to OP: did you really need to make this useless thread? Wasn't lots of them around already?


What was hard about avoiding this anyway?



Anything requiring knowledge of the thing you are doing or a sense of personal responsibility is always too hard for some. Somehow I managed to mission my backside off in Lanngisi while avoiding this problem (because I read actual patch notes), but expecting others to do that is asking to much I guess.

The real sign of becoming a bittervet is when you realize you are mourning the inch by inch loss of the only real adult "thinking required" game that existed.

not long ago, the players within eve were the kind of ppl wondering WHY it is required for chainsaw manufacturers to display on their products" DON'T TRY TO STOP THE BLADE BY HAND", asking themselves who would think it would be a good idea to even think trying that.

now, they ASK CCP to actually put labels everywhere, like on the chainsaw, or a "may contain peanuts" on a jar of peanut butter....

pathetic....

we used to have a game with darwinism built in...used to...
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#132 - 2014-01-28 14:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Kimmi Chan wrote:

This particular mechanic seemed to simply take advantage of peoples ignorance. While I agree that in the Age of Information ignorance is a choice, not everyone is reading pages of documentation about the game they're playing.

there was a time where those ppl were laught at and explained where they failed.

and most of them would actually have balls, suck it up and took it as a lesson.

this is the best way to learn.

but now, eve is full of crybabies......

and in the event such things happen, daddy CCP will hugh you a change the game mechanic so you, little poor thing, can avoid to learn your ho so hard lesson on how the game works......
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#133 - 2014-01-28 14:17:10 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:

not long ago, the players within eve were the kind of ppl wondering WHY it is required for chainsaw manufacturers to display on their products" DON'T TRY TO STOP THE BLADE BY HAND", asking themselves who would think it would be a good idea to even think trying that.

now, they ASK CCP to actually put labels everywhere, like on the chainsaw, or a "may contain peanuts" on a jar of peanut butter....

pathetic....

we used to have a game with darwinism built in...used to...


I'm with you brother. Like how now EVERY car commercial I see has these little disclaimers about "professional stunt person on a closed track, do not attempt" lol. Well duh.

It's like a cancer (pansy cancer) spreading everywhere, even into what was the most hard core MMO game I've ever played.

For example, If you'd told me in 2007 that one day my "thousands of years in the future, controlled by direct input from my BRAIN, faster than light capable star ship" would have a manual safety I'd have laughed you off the server.

Not laughing any more.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#134 - 2014-01-28 14:22:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:

not long ago, the players within eve were the kind of ppl wondering WHY it is required for chainsaw manufacturers to display on their products" DON'T TRY TO STOP THE BLADE BY HAND", asking themselves who would think it would be a good idea to even think trying that.

now, they ASK CCP to actually put labels everywhere, like on the chainsaw, or a "may contain peanuts" on a jar of peanut butter....

pathetic....

we used to have a game with darwinism built in...used to...


I'm with you brother. Like how now EVERY car commercial I see has these little disclaimers about "professional stunt person on a closed track, do not attempt" lol. Well duh.

It's like a cancer (pansy cancer) spreading everywhere, even into what was the most hard core MMO game I've ever played.

For example, If you'd told me in 2007 that one day my "thousands of years in the future, controlled by direct input from my BRAIN, faster than light capable star ship" would have a manual safety I'd have laughed you off the server.

Not laughing any more.


Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.

I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you.
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#135 - 2014-01-28 14:24:18 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

1) standard crap from 0.0 publords and wannabees "waaa, waaa. high-sec too safe!"
2) reasonable comments about topic supporting this fix

If you watch forums for some time you will see that these 2 groups are separated. And most of the time you don't need to look at post, you just look at poster and you know already what will he say.


This is the most balanced and non-judgemental post I have ever read.

What it lacks in reactionary vitriol, it makes up for in a calm reading of the available facts, and is not tarnished by personal feelings the poster has towards anyone at all, and certainly his opinions are not coloured by knee-jerk reactions to the physical appearances of people's avatars.

Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy! I'm the Magical Man from Happy-Land, in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane!


Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.

"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#136 - 2014-01-28 14:25:30 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.


LOL

That's like the pot calling the kettle metallic.
Quote:

I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you.


Or, i can fight for the Restoration of EVE. I hear Malcanis decided to not run for CSM again...now there's an Idea.

I know I can count on your vote brother, right?
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
Space Brutality
#137 - 2014-01-28 14:27:36 UTC
Oh no you cant use CONCORD to gank your precious mission runners now.

MoAr TeArS...I MUST HAVE MORE

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

seth Hendar
I love you miners
#138 - 2014-01-28 14:31:43 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Jenn aSide wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:

not long ago, the players within eve were the kind of ppl wondering WHY it is required for chainsaw manufacturers to display on their products" DON'T TRY TO STOP THE BLADE BY HAND", asking themselves who would think it would be a good idea to even think trying that.

now, they ASK CCP to actually put labels everywhere, like on the chainsaw, or a "may contain peanuts" on a jar of peanut butter....

pathetic....

we used to have a game with darwinism built in...used to...


I'm with you brother. Like how now EVERY car commercial I see has these little disclaimers about "professional stunt person on a closed track, do not attempt" lol. Well duh.

It's like a cancer (pansy cancer) spreading everywhere, even into what was the most hard core MMO game I've ever played.

For example, If you'd told me in 2007 that one day my "thousands of years in the future, controlled by direct input from my BRAIN, faster than light capable star ship" would have a manual safety I'd have laughed you off the server.

Not laughing any more.

lucky me, i fly the 50% remaining matar ships, only buttons i have are "faster forward", "fire" and "overheat ALL the things (but mostly the guns)"
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#139 - 2014-01-28 14:34:35 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:

not long ago, the players within eve were the kind of ppl wondering WHY it is required for chainsaw manufacturers to display on their products" DON'T TRY TO STOP THE BLADE BY HAND", asking themselves who would think it would be a good idea to even think trying that.

now, they ASK CCP to actually put labels everywhere, like on the chainsaw, or a "may contain peanuts" on a jar of peanut butter....

pathetic....

we used to have a game with darwinism built in...used to...


I'm with you brother. Like how now EVERY car commercial I see has these little disclaimers about "professional stunt person on a closed track, do not attempt" lol. Well duh.

It's like a cancer (pansy cancer) spreading everywhere, even into what was the most hard core MMO game I've ever played.

For example, If you'd told me in 2007 that one day my "thousands of years in the future, controlled by direct input from my BRAIN, faster than light capable star ship" would have a manual safety I'd have laughed you off the server.

Not laughing any more.

lucky me, i fly matar ships, only buttons i have are "faster forward", "fire" and "overheat ALL the things (but mostly the guns)"



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and she say YOU GO CYNO now and then i haev to hit butn wiv mi hed

"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal

Good Posting
Doomheim
#140 - 2014-01-28 14:36:24 UTC
oh noes