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Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#101 - 2014-01-28 11:27:48 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:


FoF missiles would have done the same thing, it is just they are rarely used unless you are disrupted.
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Hudson may be right

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Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#102 - 2014-01-28 11:31:54 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:


I love the quote thing with scores and stuff. Just rolled an imaginary dice and scored a number, w00t came out positive :D

In answer to your question, I expect high sec gankers to do 2 things.

1: If they gank for no risk pvp lolz/tears then they'll rage on forums if the targets get assistance with anything. In fact I reckon if their was a tutorial to show n00bs how not to be ganked I think someone would still moan about it.

2: If they gank for profit they'll move on when it's no longer profitable and whine on the forums.

There is a pattern.

On a side note, I do not support the expectation complex many players have in high sec. I do however understand the irony that most of the people attacking that complex in fact have their own.


+D4+1

1. There probably is somewhere, though often "my isk/time efficency would be broken" is an excuse used to ignore health & safety at work codes.

2. This is true, though I am doubtful this applies to many, at least in regards to Mobile Toilet Units

Side note: This is also true. It may be a symptom of the human condition.

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#103 - 2014-01-28 11:33:28 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:



I have no idea. Never use the things because my ship has engines and I can scoop up loot and salvage myself without dropping a stupid vacuum cleaner in space. I also do not have drones set to aggressive because I don't trust drones any more than I trust the Gallente.

As far as this particular "nerf". it was initially a buff to HS PvP by enabling PvP enthusiasts to force a limited engagement on mission runners dumber than me (which is a lot). So I really don't see it as a nerf as much as a return to how things were pre-Rubicon but with a stupid "vacuum cleaner in space".

I do, however, agree with this:

Bertrand Butler wrote:
First of all, reverse tears are always delicious.

Having said that, I will have to agree with what Riot Girl said here. I have not witnessed the mechanic myself, but I remember reading an article by Marlona Sky some days ago, and agreeing with its conclusion.

The MTU+drone thing added a good chunk of player generated content and interaction, while also giving the opportunity for some very nice possibilities for PvP if it persisted - like pirate baiting for example. It also helped missioners become more engaged and conscious of their surroundings, using their drones actively instead of ascribing to a semi-passive farming mentality.

Its a mechanic that will be missed.




See, I can agree with this as well. Because It forces the baiter to either:

A - Fleet up, promoting social interaction in a MMO, which is important.

B - Fly with more risk, as anti-piracy could become yet another viable profession (Finally...)

As for the drones themselves, they are set to toggle that way, and to be quite honest, while aggressive should protect a player deployable of any kind, to not only promote PvP, but also to tie into the vibe of "capsuleer conquest" they have prepared for us in their "vision."

Because the way they have been marketing the game, it makes sense that all of space is a battleground...not just null-sec, and not just low-sec.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Helia Tranquilis
Confused Bunnies Inc
#104 - 2014-01-28 11:36:44 UTC
Nick Starkey wrote:
Why can't the HTFU mentality apply to gankers as well? Also, it doesn't make any sense for drone settings not to extend to MTUs. They want actual pvp easy kills to happen (or at least coordinated ganks), not people getting baited by obscure mechanics that don't make any sense.
Fixed that for you.

Basically we see a griefer reaction similar to a child with their new favorite toy taken from their sandbox.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#105 - 2014-01-28 11:42:07 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
See, I can agree with this as well. Because It forces the baiter to either:

A - Fleet up, promoting social interaction in a MMO, which is important.

B - Fly with more risk, as anti-piracy could become yet another viable profession (Finally...)

As for the drones themselves, they are set to toggle that way, and to be quite honest, while aggressive should protect a player deployable of any kind, to not only promote PvP, but also to tie into the vibe of "capsuleer conquest" they have prepared for us in their "vision."

Because the way they have been marketing the game, it makes sense that all of space is a battleground...not just null-sec, and not just low-sec.


This particular mechanic seemed to simply take advantage of peoples ignorance. While I agree that in the Age of Information ignorance is a choice, not everyone is reading pages of documentation about the game they're playing. There are literally volumes of it out there and the paying subscriber would rather play than read.

I truly believe that CCP's vision and even that which is keeping them profitable is a "broad base of appeal". Obviously, you can't make everyone happy (GD is proof of that), but striking that right balance so that the game offers a little bit for everyone is more important than HTFU.

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#106 - 2014-01-28 11:44:59 UTC
well done CCP :)

I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec

Next Step : Insta Concord in 0.5 , 0.6 etc etc 1 volley and Boom

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#107 - 2014-01-28 11:50:24 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
well done CCP :)

I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec

Next Step : Insta Concord in 0.5 , 0.6 etc etc 1 volley and Boom


Kimmi Chan wrote:
but striking that right balance so that the game offers a little bit for everyone is more important than HTFU.


You're not the only person playing this game.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#108 - 2014-01-28 11:51:01 UTC
Well, looks like afk/bot farming with drones now has the official stamp of approval.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#109 - 2014-01-28 11:51:06 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
well done CCP :)

I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec



Then they wouldn't be pirates.

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Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#110 - 2014-01-28 11:54:48 UTC
No one cares
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#111 - 2014-01-28 11:57:11 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
No one cares


You cared enough to post.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#112 - 2014-01-28 11:57:51 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes...

Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor.

" Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target."

Why?

Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites.

I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine.

F



Cry more FFS.

Can I have your stuff?

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#113 - 2014-01-28 11:58:07 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, looks like afk/bot farming with drones now has the official stamp of approval.


I too am concerned about this.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#114 - 2014-01-28 11:58:15 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
well done CCP :)

I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec

Next Step : Insta Concord in 0.5 , 0.6 etc etc 1 volley and Boom


These are the people CCP wants to cater for.

Oh god.
Butzewutze
Doomheim
#115 - 2014-01-28 12:00:13 UTC
What most of you guys dont understand is that CCP gives a f()ck about your oppinion or those threads. Vote with your wallet.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#116 - 2014-01-28 12:00:25 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Irya Boone wrote:
well done CCP :)

I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec

Next Step : Insta Concord in 0.5 , 0.6 etc etc 1 volley and Boom


These are the people CCP wants to cater for.


I like it when you're right Riot, but **** I really hope you're wrong.

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#117 - 2014-01-28 12:06:26 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Irya Boone wrote:
well done CCP :)

I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec

Next Step : Insta Concord in 0.5 , 0.6 etc etc 1 volley and Boom


These are the people CCP wants to cater for.


I know, and it is a sad state of affairs.

We are all handed the same tools.

It is not the fault of the ganker that the individual miner did not choose to have a logi on field.

It is not the fault of the baiter that the missioneer did not have an Orca in system to reship and hunt down his suspect prey.

And it is not the fault of a group of pirates, working in sync, that whoever did not fleet up in a multiplayer game.

And so on and so forth...down the line.

Everything has a counter, for the most part.

Just a shame that it has become so divided that people choose not to see that.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#118 - 2014-01-28 12:13:23 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

We are all handed the same tools.

It is not the fault of the ganker that the individual miner did not choose to have a logi on field.

It is not the fault of the baiter that the missioneer did not have an Orca in system to reship and hunt down his suspect prey.

And it is not the fault of a group of pirates, working in sync, that whoever did not fleet up in a multiplayer game.

Everything has a counter, for the most part.

Just a shame that it has become so divided that people choose not to see that.


Cannot agree strongly enough.

Every noob I introduce to this game gets the same sermon.

TESTIFY BROTHER

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#119 - 2014-01-28 12:27:38 UTC
Also KnowUsByTheDead, I would like to change my answer.

Purple does not taste like chicken. It tastes like BREAKFAST FOOD!

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#120 - 2014-01-28 12:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes...

Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor.

" Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target."

Why?

Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites.

I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine.

F


So.......CCP makes one itty-bitty small, insignificant tweek to prevent an accidental limited engagement.

And it's destroyed the game for you. Utterly apparently.

I'm gonna go check out those Orcs now that just burst through the EVE Gate.

Probably best you just find another game that suits your style.

If there isn't one, clam up, and get busy tearing a fiery path through High Sec to get your overabundant anger fix taken care of.

Sheesh.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882