EVE General Discussion

Yes, that too. Removing valuable content to satisfy the safety concerns of those too lazy to learn game mechanics.

Yes, it was a great source of player interaction and player created content. I'm not defending CCPs decision to introduce the MTU in its former state or arguing that it was wise of them to introduce it that way, but I am sceptical of their decision to remove it.

No. "Valueable" is it for those few who kill many with pretty much no effort except blitzing through a mission system. People who do nothing else than blitzing mission runners until they find one that has his drones set to aggressive. Then they shoot at a structure ONCE and the deal is sealed.

Nope.

People run through missions until they find a runner who uses an MTU and has his drones set to aggressive. Then they shoot the structure ... once. So much for "great source of player interaction and player created content". Null. Nada. Most of the "content" the aggressor creates is his own, which has nothing to do with the other. The victim is simply getting owned and most probably has no ******* clue wtf was going on until it's too late.

Warp in. Shoot once. Wait shortly. If runners drones don't agress, then warp off and find next mission runner.
OR
Warp in. Shoot once. Wait shortly. If runners' drones aggress, wtfbbqown him.


Try words with more connection to reality ... we're not in politics here.

Something is being done to fix aggro fu and yet claims of nerfing, WoWization, etc.

Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight.

Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP.


If this bothers some people, find another game.


BTW: before there were MTUs, there was no way to trick the drones.


Gee, it's exactly what the greifers looked for? I wonder how many days it took. Did they get an MTU and run tests all over it?

You see this is what I mean by kids in a sandbox making it all about bashing other kids with the pail and shovel and less about actual sand. Something has to be done to keep the sandbox about sand. Adults (people who can pay for a sub) don't want to come into a game and feel like they are babysitting someone's brat kid. They won't bother to stick around.

You're so far off .... and it's not even intentional.

They don't want to fight!
It's about making ISK and tears!
It's not about fights !

And besides that ... it *is* PvP. It's as much PvP as every other interaction between players is PvP !
This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of definition ! Player vs. Player !


Sheesh, how are you even allowed to comment ...

He is more like that crazy old man in the robes with the sign that says the end is near.

If you're honestly able to read then you should see that I didn't.

I predicted that this will be closed right from the get-go. Nobody listened to me. Assholes, as usual, just cared for themselves and now, as usual, they get what they deserve and come, as usual, whining about it.

You believe these people want to fight. They don't. See above.


It still is PvP, because it's between players. Player vs. Player. This includes everything going on between players. That's why it's called that way. Even afk players.


"that's not pvp", "if you want to fight, find a fight. don't resort to such lame tactics to find a fight".

Your post tells me that you somehow believe in good, possibly honourable fights.

Yeah, that's perfectly fine.

Do you know the amount of players who knew that the MTU would trigger an LE, because drones that are set to aggressive will automatically engage the aggressor?

I do. Zero!


And as soon as somebody found out, it made the rounds. There was no mentioning of this. No where. At first nobody knew it, except for those who did it. Then message spread across. It even reached the forums. There's no way to force everybody to read the forums and there was no global message provided by CCP about this.


We can argue that CCP could have worked around this ... absolutely. They could have simply included it into the game mechanics. Made it official. Mission runners would have adapted. But this didn't happen. It didn't happen, because those who absued the mechanic didn't help making it happen. They were too busy abusing it for their own good, instead of thinking about the greater good behind it. If people would have kept low and rather tried to get the point across to CCP, then this thread wouldn't have happened.


Then ... hahahahaha ... this would be a carebear thread! :D A carebear, whining about how he died to some suspect, unknowing that his drones would aggress!


Didn't happen ... blame yourself.

What am I blaming myself for exactly?

Honestly... HTFU already. There are still ways to pick fights with HS mission runners.

Or hell.. you could pick fights with mission runners in low/null...