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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#21 - 2014-01-28 03:33:50 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
So the OP is whining because he can't pick on newbs with Drones 1 in hi sec.

I'll start the slow clap...feel free to join in.



New players run missions in multi-billion isk marauders.

Anyone with that kind of ISK and SP who is dumb enough to fall for the MTU Drone gambit, is dumb enough to fall for any number of other gambits. MTUs were never supposed to be "Easy" buttons for gankers. Get with the program.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-01-28 03:35:18 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
This is horseshit.

Yet another nail in the coffin that is being prepped for high security piracy.

vOv

::CCP::
Blame yourself. And the others.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-01-28 03:40:28 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
So the OP is whining because he can't pick on newbs with Drones 1 in hi sec.

I'll start the slow clap...feel free to join in.



New players run missions in multi-billion isk marauders.

Was it only used against multi-billion isk marauders?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#24 - 2014-01-28 03:40:52 UTC
How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this.
CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.

So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-01-28 03:42:55 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this.
CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.

So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil.
I agree. What got removed is something that wasn't there before anyway so there's no real harm done.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#26 - 2014-01-28 03:44:23 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Its not about one thing, its about being slow boiled as described on my blog.


So you want us to read your blog? Why didn't you just say so?

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Yosef Brinalle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-01-28 03:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Yosef Brinalle
comment edited for being wrong Shocked
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-01-28 03:50:20 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Its not about one thing, its about being slow boiled as described on my blog.


So you want us to read your blog? Why didn't you just say so?
It's not worth reading it.

If he used half a brain cell he'd understand that something got added and removed again, which is completely different from having something changed/removed that was there for a long time. It doesn't matter anymore anyway ... now it's too late!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#29 - 2014-01-28 03:53:10 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine.


Can you describe the scenarios that existed before the MTU was introduced that enabled you to trick aggressive drones into shooting you without the operator's direct instructions to do so?

As a comparison, can you describe a scenario in which you can trick a mission runner's turret or missile systems to shooting you without the operator's direct instructions to do so?

I'm just trying to educate myself on this topic. Thanks for your help!

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stoicfaux
#30 - 2014-01-28 03:59:48 UTC
OP angry because OP needed a PvE mechanic to initiate PvP?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#31 - 2014-01-28 04:12:30 UTC
I thought CCP was against removing content.

Oh god.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-01-28 04:19:56 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
So the OP is whining because he can't pick on newbs with Drones 1 in hi sec.

I'll start the slow clap...feel free to join in.



New players run missions in multi-billion isk marauders.

Was it only used against multi-billion isk marauders?


Was it only used against newbies with Drones 1?

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Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#33 - 2014-01-28 04:22:48 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this.
CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.

So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil.


^^^ This ^^^

They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.> 
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#34 - 2014-01-28 04:23:32 UTC
These pure PVP pilots that live permanently in Empire space picking on industry, hauler, exploration and mission PVE pilots are kinda weird and playing a different game.
Their threads only make sense when you understand they are the same stunted rookie-pond-forever as those they pretend to despise.


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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-01-28 04:31:07 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
These pure PVP pilots that live permanently in Empire space picking on industry, hauler, exploration and mission PVE pilots are kinda weird and playing a different game.
Their threads only make sense when you understand they are the same stunted rookie-pond-forever as those they pretend to despise.




Interesting. Which game are the non-PVP people playing?

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#36 - 2014-01-28 04:34:22 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
These pure PVP pilots that live permanently in Empire space picking on industry, hauler, exploration and mission PVE pilots are kinda weird and playing a different game.
Their threads only make sense when you understand they are the same stunted rookie-pond-forever as those they pretend to despise.




Interesting. Which game are the non-PVP people playing?


The same one: picking on targets they know they can beat Lol

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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#37 - 2014-01-28 04:34:38 UTC
Well I can understand the change. Hi-sec mission-runners make up a substantial portion of CCP's bottom-line. And it's not exactly like the game is drawing in tons of new players everyday, so they can't really afford to lose their current ones (which happens when folks ragequit over unexpected mechanics).

Personally, I still hold to the idea that the MTUs should have been made loot-able rather than shoot-able. Taking somebody's "hard-earned" loot makes them more likely to pewpew, rather than shooting something they own - that just scares them. But undoubtedly CCP chose the shoot-able route in order to create an effective ISK/mineral sink. And it is rather efficient in that regard.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#38 - 2014-01-28 04:38:52 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this.
CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.

So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil.


^^^ This ^^^

They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.>

That's not the point. The point is, they added a new tool and now they're taking it away and taking content away with it. This contradicts the design philosophy many players expect of CCP.

Oh god.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-01-28 04:46:47 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Asia Leigh wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this.
CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.

So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil.


^^^ This ^^^

They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.>

That's not the point. The point is, they added a new tool and now they're taking it away and taking content away with it. This contradicts the design philosophy many players expect of CCP.

No, the tool isn't going away, just a single behavior of drones associated with it.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-01-28 05:01:06 UTC
That's ok I guess, the outcome is more amusing when you gank them with a dozen T1 catalysts anyway.

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