Crime & Punishment

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*reads patch notes*

DAM U CCP DAM U TO HELLS

*shakes fist at sky*



Just how am I supposed to get my awesome whaling KM's in a Atron?!?!

HOW AM I

I appreciate your sarcasm and sentiment. << Edit: Directed at dude above Erotica 1.

But in reality, this is something CCP defended, as being an intended mechanic. I must have missed all the publicity and dev blogs about it? Or is CCP really trying to keep this quiet and sneak it in as a true game fix? Which is if the case. I suggest they reimburse every single ship and module lost to this tactic.

Edit 2: Accidentally a word.

I'm taking bets on how many reimbursement petitions CCP will now get from those that have lost ships to the interesting wrinkle that MTUs provided pre-patch.

Meh at the changes, it wasn't exactly hard to avoid the accidental mechanics

Not surprised, disappointed but not surprised

Trammel we are coming..

I have good news for you and the rest of us suicide gankers out there... This change only effects the deployables. If you shoot at someones ship, their drones will still aggress on you giving you the limited engagement.

All this means is that people that were can flipping prior to being given their easy button need to go back to can flipping.

And yes ECM drones will still protect AFK idiots sadly...

Patch notes imply otherwise.

Drones on aggressive will not automatically perform actions that trigger new LEs.

Shooting a player that has been Crimewatch red carded (or yellow carded) produces an LE. I know this because I have extensively used this mechanic to pop miner pods and deliberately chose targets to be people with drones orbiting them.

So that means that drones will not autoattack you, meaning that any gank on their pod is illegal, whereas if you have an LE the pod attack is legal and thus does not hurt your sec status. (But this change also removes the ECM drone issue).



Edit to state that this change is a huge buff to drone AFKers and bots that use drone ships.

Seriously there is no such thing as highsec PvP. There are carebears and gankbears. Both are carebears, one just harasses the other, but at no time do they engage in anything resembling PvP.

If you want PvP goto lowsec or nulsec. No hiding behind concords skirts that gankbears like.

Sort of skimmed through to the end so will probably edit to respond better when I get home.
CCP have been treating this 'issue' as a bug since around 10/01/14 and have been reimbursing ships lost to this interesting new mechanic. Compared to CCP's response to other unintended features (lofty scam) this is completely new and unprecedented. I urge everyone who has lost a ship due to drones aggressing wartargets/pirates/etc on station and thus giving an aggression timer and rendering one unable to undock. I'm sure everyone has had at least one loss like this, so start asking for free ships, CCP are obviously in a generous mood.
I thought that DUST was going rather well, but clearly this new generosity to bears and bots speaks otherwise.

CCP -Carebear Concession Police

EDIT - Additional points

This was not an unstoppable bug, there were many ways to avoid this happening to you, primarily you can set your drones to passive. People have argued that this is not like the lofty scam, as the lofty scam required you to join a fleet. However, this required you to do two things, launch an MTU and launch aggressive drones. While using this feature I found that most pilots I blapped were AFK and using their drones and MTU to essentially be a CCP endorsed bot (No doubt this will probably be removed from my post as mentioning that CCP endorses anything now will get you made into an unperson/sent to miniluv, no matter how sarcastic you're being). Players who weren't AFK pulled their drones almost immediately and quickly pulled the MTU as well. After a few weeks almost all players had adapted to this new feature and I was getting much less kills, probably something close to 1/10th of what I was originally getting. If players can adapt, then why should a feature be changed and moreso, why should ships be reimbursed?
I'm just back recently from a 3 year hiatus from eve and things have changed so much from when I previously played, EvE used to be a game of risk vs reward, but with highsec incursions (which can be run by people in rookie corps, thus letting them almost totally avoid PvP while making silly ISK), suspect flags (though I'm still getting plenty of kills despite them), wardec changes (Pay silly amounts of money to wardec a corp that outnumbers you 1000 - 1, this allowing people to pad corps with throwaway alts) and many other small changes, it seems to be that highsec in EvE is all reward and no risk. When I played before people used to joke about there being a duel system, citing it as something CCP would introduce if they'd totally lost the plot, now it's a reality. No doubt this will probably be quoted as "Bitter vet tears are best tears", but EvE is a game I've loved since I was only 15 years old and it's downright depressing to see it lose it's focus as much as this. Maybe CCP are trying to compete with the other big space games coming out soon (star citizen), but moving away from a small, but highly loyal niche to try and cater to the ever dumber masses can only hurt EvE in the long term.


..."this will probably be removed from my post "... Nope. ISD Ezwal.

its pretty simple. It was working as intended (that's how drones work ie not a bug), but it was also an unforseen consequence. Much easier to tell mission-runners to HTFU while simultaneously working on a fix to game mechanics than to try and punish people for exploiting and sorting hundreds of reimbursements.

As fun as it might be for some to have missioners or miners suddenly get flagged for limited engagements, its also pretty obviously poor design.

So they fixed it, no one got banned, everyone should be happy. If you're upset that this mechanic was removed, or seriously expected it to stick around, then you must be a tad delusional.



C&P tears = best tears. No surprises here.

Its really not about this one nerf...

Right now a few HTFU traditionalists like myself and James315 are shouting 'the emperor has no clothes!', in response to the constant water-torture drip of many hisec nerfs (so eloquently detailed in the links above) destroying what made EvE special.

HTFU loosely translated meant, "use your own brain to stay 'safe', don't rely on being bubble-boy'ed like in WoW".

Mark my words people of New Eden...

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

And yes, at that time you can have my stuff.

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