These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#381 - 2014-01-28 01:15:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
Riot Girl wrote:
Abdul 'aleem wrote:


The claim that this suggestion will automatically increase griefer activity in every existing mission pocket has not been proven in any way, and cannot because it is 100% dependent on player choice not suspect status.

So when will the 'vigilantes' come to your aid? When you call for help or whenever they feel like it (i.e probing down the suspect as soon as they go yellow blinky in local)?


If you see a legitimate* problem, spell it out, preferably with facts to support it.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

Click "like" in the original post to support it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#382 - 2014-01-28 01:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
The problem is, some mission runners don't want vigilantes turning up in their missions and starting fights every time someone warps in. The vigilantes aren't helping the mission runners, they're just using their mission site as a place to get a fight. They don't care about the mission runner, they're as much a griefer as the invader is.

And spelling out problems is all I've been doing so far.

Oh god.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#383 - 2014-01-28 01:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
Riot Girl wrote:
The problem is, some mission runners don't want vigilantes turning up in their missions and starting fights every time someone warps in. The vigilantes aren't helping the mission runners, they're just using their mission site as a place to get a fight. They don't care about the mission runner, they're as much a griefer as the invader is.

And spelling out problems is all I've been doing so far.


I acknowledge that those are your opinions and only your opinions with no factual support.


Did you read my response in post #434?

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

Click "like" in the original post to support it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#384 - 2014-01-28 01:36:02 UTC
Yes, it was garbage.

Oh god.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#385 - 2014-01-28 01:38:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
Riot Girl wrote:
Yes, it was garbage.



I think we understand your opinons.

Others may not agree, which means you may be wrong.

Even others may agree, which doesn't mean your right.

But, if you give facts to support your opinions, we can discuss.

Otherwise it looks like you are thread crapping.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

Click "like" in the original post to support it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#386 - 2014-01-28 01:40:37 UTC
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Yes, it was garbage.



I think we understand your opinons.

Others may not agree, which means you may be wrong.


Others will agree that you still haven't addressed their concerns. Garbage.

Oh god.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#387 - 2014-01-28 01:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
Riot Girl wrote:
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Yes, it was garbage.



I think we understand your opinons.

Others may not agree, which means you may be wrong.


Others will agree that you still haven't addressed their concerns. Garbage.



You're not contributing to the conversation here.

Making hollow accusations with no support makes you look like you are trolling or thread crapping.

If you have a specific non-opinionated concern based on facts, just post it and the support so we can discuss.

Or we just disagree and move on.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

Click "like" in the original post to support it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#388 - 2014-01-28 01:50:56 UTC
Myself and many others have posted the concern we wish you to address. For some reason you feel we need proof of assurance that it is going to happen before you will accept it as a valid concern. So basically you're suggesting CCP implement your idea without testing or exploring undesirable secondary effects. Don't you think that's a little selfish and irresponsible?

Oh god.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#389 - 2014-01-28 02:00:13 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Myself and many others have posted the concern we wish you to address. For some reason you feel we need proof of assurance that it is going to happen before you will accept it as a valid concern. So basically you're suggesting CCP implement your idea without testing or exploring undesirable secondary effects. Don't you think that's a little selfish and irresponsible?



This one:

Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
The problem is, some mission runners don't want vigilantes turning up in their missions and starting fights every time someone warps in. The vigilantes aren't helping the mission runners, they're just using their mission site as a place to get a fight. They don't care about the mission runner, they're as much a griefer as the invader is.

And spelling out problems is all I've been doing so far.


I acknowledge that those are your opinions and only your opinions with no factual support.


Did you read my response in post #434?


that you responded by saying:

Riot Girl wrote:
Yes, it was garbage.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

Click "like" in the original post to support it.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#390 - 2014-01-28 02:03:19 UTC
I think that you just need to accept that many people don't agree with your opinions and move on.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

Click "like" in the original post to support it.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#391 - 2014-01-28 02:09:08 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Myself and many others have posted the concern we wish you to address. For some reason you feel we need proof of assurance that it is going to happen before you will accept it as a valid concern. So basically you're suggesting CCP implement your idea without testing or exploring undesirable secondary effects. Don't you think that's a little selfish and irresponsible?


Of course he does. He doesn't care what such a change would bring. Griefers running around in people's missions. Shooting their rats, stealing their loot, salvaging their wrecks. Just as they can now, mind you. All the time they are in there just pissing you off and waiting for you to take a shot so they can kill your mission boat.

All this adds is the option to shoot the griefer first, not stop the activity.

Hisec PVPers will love this because a lot of them have been wanting PVP arenas for years. Especially the WoW fanboys.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#392 - 2014-01-28 02:23:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
Estella Osoka wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Myself and many others have posted the concern we wish you to address. For some reason you feel we need proof of assurance that it is going to happen before you will accept it as a valid concern. So basically you're suggesting CCP implement your idea without testing or exploring undesirable secondary effects. Don't you think that's a little selfish and irresponsible?


Of course he does. He doesn't care what such a change would bring. Griefers running around in people's missions. Shooting their rats, stealing their loot, salvaging their wrecks. Just as they can now, mind you. All the time they are in there just pissing you off and waiting for you to take a shot so they can kill your mission boat.

All this adds is the option to shoot the griefer first, not stop the activity.

Hisec PVPers will love this because a lot of them have been wanting PVP arenas for years. Especially the WoW fanboys.



If that is your understanding of what is being proposed, you clearly do not understand the suggestion.

Many people have commented how clear the original post was, even if it is a bit long.

If you have read it and still do not understand, you may just have to acknowledge your limits and move on.

Or re-read the original post, if not the entire thread, especially those posts that were in response to your other comments.

Post #434 clearly addresses the false assumptions regarding PvP and the suggested flag for mission invasion.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

Click "like" in the original post to support it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#393 - 2014-01-28 02:28:26 UTC
It doesn't address the concern. It assumes the vigilantes are going to ask for permission before warping in (because they're polite and chivalrous white knights), when they won't. They'll just warp in when they feel like it and take the suspect flag because your fleet invite mechanics are a pointless waste of time.

Oh god.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#394 - 2014-01-28 02:34:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
Riot Girl wrote:
It doesn't address the concern. It assumes the vigilantes are going to ask for permission before warping in (because they're polite and chivalrous white knights), when they won't. They'll just warp in when they feel like it and take the suspect flag because your fleet invite mechanics are a pointless waste of time.


I understand your opinions and we can agree to disagree.

Your opinions don't seem to be based in many facts, if any.

If you have any basis for your assumptions/opinions post them and we can discuss.

Otherwise you will just have to accept that there are many people who disagree with you and they have posted the facts that they base their opinions on in this thread.

to which your response and attitude has consistently been:

Riot Girl wrote:
Yes, it was garbage.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

Click "like" in the original post to support it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#395 - 2014-01-28 03:02:48 UTC
You want me to prove that people will use mission sites for PvP under your proposal? Considering the sandbox nature of the game and the large number of players, I'd say it's definitely a worthwhile consideration and mission runners are justified in asking to hear the measures you're going to take to prevent this from happening.

Oh god.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#396 - 2014-01-28 03:16:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
Riot Girl wrote:
You want me to prove that people will use mission sites for PvP under your proposal? Considering the sandbox nature of the game and the large number of players, I'd say it's definitely a worthwhile consideration and mission runners are justified in asking to hear the measures you're going to take to prevent this from happening.



This concern has been voiced by you many times and addressed with post #434.

I understand that you don't agree, it's time to move on.

I believe that you are spam posting and it is interfering with the discussion of more substantiated topics.

Help me to understand this forum rule and tell me if your posts do not meet all of of the criteria listed:


12. Spamming is prohibited.

Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or nonsensical post that has no substance and is often designed to annoy other forum users. This can include the words “first”, “go back to 'insert other game name'" and other such posts that contribute no value to forum discussion. Spamming also includes the posting of ASCII art within a forum post.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

Click "like" in the original post to support it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#397 - 2014-01-28 03:46:19 UTC
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or nonsensical post that has no substance and is often designed to annoy other forum users.

Sums up pretty much all of your posts.

Oh god.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#398 - 2014-01-28 04:01:20 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or nonsensical post that has no substance and is often designed to annoy other forum users.

Sums up pretty much all of your posts.



I am sorry that you feel that way.

You'll just have to accept that many others don't agree with you.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

Click "like" in the original post to support it.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#399 - 2014-01-28 04:34:14 UTC
Crappy idea proposed by a person with 2 kills (POCOs mind you) and his posting history is contained to 3 threads (2 started by him).

As this idea really only benefits griefers, I suggest all you mission runners relook at his idea and think about the implications of someone (or someones) warping into your mission already blinky.

He readily admits that this would cause your precious mission sites to potentially become defacto PVP arenas while you are in there trying to mission; and nothing to really stop them from shooting your mission npcs, wrecks, and taking your loot. Well, you could shoot back, but we all know what happens when a PVE fit ship takes on a PVP fit ship.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#400 - 2014-01-28 04:43:46 UTC
As far as the unique item being unavailable on market. A judicious thing to do would be buy one before accepting the mission. That way if your ripped off your covered.

If on the other hand you succeed in getting your own mission item, hand one of them in and sell the spare.