EVE New Citizens Q&A

In this case I would recommend following this advice, despite having said a few mean things about E-UNI in my time. A high sec mining corporation is likely to be a dead end for OP. E-UNI would provide exposure to other areas of the game in addition to mining.

Yw, but it's just a suggestion considering everything you wrote in your original post, based on those factors (it's not a one size fits all suggestion). You are not necessarily a newbie player but have some skill, mainly mine and do exploration... and probably just a sprinkle of basic exploration skills at that. I'm guessing between the two that you have ~nearly 0 combat skills. Then you are not thrilled about starting over from scratch to rebuild your business equipment vs. time investment, yet you do have some skills for it.

Some people don't have a problem in that position to grab a quick 650m to get a jump start back into operations at some level, others don't mind the challenge of rebuilding. And if you did plex, my suggestion came with an "and" as in and find an active corp, not just plex and go back to what you were doing which got you into that mess. But to plex or not to plex are both valid decisions. If this were my first year in the game, I would plex if in the same situation regardless of profession, though now I probably wouldn't since I have a lot of different options and skills to make isk rather quickly. But we all balance the factors that best fit our comfort levels.

And yes, don't be afraid to go to other places in the game. I agree with what Thomas wrote, you are not limited by your skills. You mentioned a negative regarding going out to other places in the game to do this, but many do such things starting their first week and do fine. You mentioned it! so it may very well be in the back of your mind nagging at you to do it. Like your heart talking to your brain, your heart wants to but your brain is stalling the fun factor of doing it, so you wrestle with the dilemma of what you want to do with what you think you can't do, but you can, and many do. So my advice has been to just do it, your heart will be happier and your brain will probably catch up in time as you realize it isn't so bad. Fear of the unknown can do that.

Lots of corps out that way, do your research. Research null and wormhole operations, they are lucrative opportunities for industrialists (if that's what you want to stick with anyway). Both have their drawbacks and both their bonuses, as does high sec as well. What you were doing, you wound up slipping away from the game for a time, so now that you are returning it's probably best to do something else, or take greater chances towards what you really rather do, or where, or with whom.

Just like if you pvp in other games, nothing stopping you from switching your training to that now, sticking with that training. Someone else told you what to train, now you can train for what you rather do and maybe stick around for a while. Even with low skills you can get into it right away, pvp and make isk while doing it. Look into faction warfare, it's one option to affordable pvp in this game. Generally I suggest just mainly focusing in on either industrialist or on combat pilot for the first year or so (if only one character), but you have spent time in industry and maybe it's not working out for you so well, speculation by what you posted.

And that offer from eve uni is golden, you can get even a wider understanding of the various things to do in this game with them for a time. But imo pvp in a frigate is a blast, I've even made an alt to specialize in frigs and destroyers purely for pvp, pretty well trained now. That is something you may like at some point, even if you stick to industry for now then later acquire plex with the mass amounts of isk you make from industry and start training a pure combat pilot alt on your account. But then, industry can be very time consuming to make that amount of isk you that can make with a combat pilot or an explorer, especially with only one account doing mining... Time is the fire in which we burn. Good luck!

Huff, no GM ever spoke to ME when I started! Very nice touch, though.

Avoiding the "bumptards" (as my niece calls them) is simply a matter of, well, avoiding them. Despite their innumerable pretentious claims, they are far from everywhere. In fact, when one looks at the map of New Eden and pours them all through the filter of sheer scale, why, there are hardly any of them at all.

In short, if some imbecile demands payment to mine in a high security space system, you simply warp to the next system over. Since they posses even less patience than intelligence (if such a thing is even possible whilst still being able to breathe without mechanical assistance) they likely will not bother to follow you. If they do, simply warp to the next system in line.

The worst case scenario is that you will eventually find yourself in a less-trafficked part of space with even more untouched belts than you have ever seen before, with ne'er a rival miner or a prepubescent Catalyst pilot in sight.

The bonus is that in your travels you may meet many more like-minded individuals and thus open up opportunities to join a corporation of other miners, which gives the benefits of things like Orca support, free shipping and mutual protection.

Telling them to bugger off and ignore them ususally makes them leave. Though since I usually mine in a 0.5 system in a procurer with tens of thounsand of EHP, they ususally stay away.

Clowns, not real thing, but stay away from them. The quality of the advice in New Citizens is getting as bad as the Help Channel.

Welcome back to EVE, OP!

Well you didn't prune it well enough, the conversation was ended but now remains to be answered as you left it off at that point. I mean I understand some people like to create alt characters to troll the forums, 3month old alts etc, protect their mains from trolling backlash etc, but it makes my time answering questions in NCQA a waste of time when I need to focus on players drifting in from GD to challenge suggestions.

I don't mind defending my suggestions with regulars etc, and in cases I have been quick to admit when I was wrong here, but I'm not, it's a viable suggestion. But in doing so, answering this yet again, I do believe this is my last post in NCQA. Not on account of the poster, but I don't appreciate my posts being messed with especially after the conversation has ended days ago, and then now left open for more debate wasting even more of my time now. 90% of my posting in EVE forums have been here helping new players over the past few years, when I have the time to anyway, and have even given ships away during that time when I felt the person could benefit on-the-level and maybe help improve their time playing the game. My time means something to me though, and doing this song and dance again isn't my ideal of appropriate time management.


My suggestion is just to buy the PLEX, get back into the game and have fun with a new corp in better places, and btw the OP isn't a combat pilot for your combat plexes. I based my suggestion on what the OP wrote, how they feel about what happened to them, how they feel about moving forward from this point and with what skills they have. My post tailored to help the OP as best would fit for them and their situation. You don't like that, persists on words like "dumb" etc etc, challenging my every word drawing this out to some dismal and bland conversation. Well I got an email from the OP, and it goes like this:

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My Thread
From: Theresa Podiene
Sent: 2014.01.27 11:27
To: Omega Sunset

Hello there,

Thank you for responding to my thread with advice. I really appreciate all the responses you have given throughout the thread. ^^ I thought a lot on what you said in your latest post, about what I really want to do versus what I think I have to do, and after thinking I have decided that I will take your advice to venture out into more dangerous areas of space as soon as possible. I am planning to do this:

1) Mine up enough to have a good reserve of money
2) Do exploration from time to time if I get bored from mining / If the area becomes dangerous because of New Order people
3) Start moving into industry and manufacturing ships and equipment
4) Find and join a corporation that lives in low security or zero security space
5) Learn to fly the ships that I manufacture together with my corpmates in fleets


I am already halfway on my way back to getting a Mackinaw (I got some advice from other people that the Hulk is not as good anymore), and I was wondering whether it would be possible to get some help to get back on my feet as soon as possible.

I don't want to come across as begging, so whatever you feel you can spare would be very nice. I hope that once I get back on my feet and back into a corp, I will be able to help others in turn as I have been helped by the EVE community.

Sorry for taking up your time, and thank you again for your advice!


~T~

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So as you see, it is far from a "dumb" suggestion, taking chances and still imo the OP should just buy a PLEX or two, but then I never said it was some requirement/must as you claim I did. If you want to be helpful, as I have given ships to newbies in the past (combat ships anyway), maybe you should stand behind your own words here and give what you could spare as the OP suggests. I mean you were sooo against the OP just fixing their fleet with a PLEX, going into all that with me, which was just my suggestion and IMO best fitting of the situation, maybe it's time you actually help, put your support where your mouth is, since you reinforced the OP to take the less pleasant way to get back into the game. But don't get all excited, I'm not retiring from this sub forum over you, but I just don't like having my posts messed with, or at least to leaving things open again and now being drawn back into this crud.


@OP, Good luck man, you'll find this game to be a blast as you get out there. Don't worry so much about the lost equipment, buy a plex or don't buy a plex, if you just join that corp out there sooner rather than later, I'm sure they will help you out a great deal, get you up and running. Anyway it can be a pain trying to move so much equipment around with you, so don't put it off for long or it'll just get harder to do.

Peace out

@Omega Sunset

I got that exact same mail and replied in explaining how easy it is to make amazing cash with high sec exploration in a frigate or destroyer, as in "there's no need to buy plex, you just need to learn the game a bit better".

Victory for the New Order!

It's so nice to see new players realising that stuff will get blown up in this game and pursuing the other entertaining features of EVE. Theresa is off to a great start and I hope to see more from her in the future.

Fly safe!