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CFC/N3/PL Cap brawl

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#101 - 2014-01-27 20:17:58 UTC
darkoran wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
I don't think killmails can be linked but there is a dead titan worth ~160b.


Top on eve-kill is at 104 right now.



Yeah and it values the hull at 65b. Show me one titan sold in marketplace for less than 110
Here's a partially-fit Erebus with DD installed, 115BB ISK. So, subtract cost of modules... And EVE-Kill's assessement of the hul cost looks not entirely unreasonable.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4154420#post4154420
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2014-01-27 20:18:45 UTC
Apollo Manton wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
11 PLn3 titans dead
5 CFC/RUS

Hold on to your buts folks 2.5 hours until US reinforcements will start to trickle on.

Clash of the Wrecking Balls.

#Death2allSupers.



Problem is that at this point jumping in could be suicide. Getting stuck in the warp tunnel and not being able to lock and fire but still able to take damage and die is pretty sh*t.

They have a team working on this one sided mechanic

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#103 - 2014-01-27 20:20:07 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

When I started playing, I don't even know if any alliance HAD 10 Titans, let alone see 10 Titans go down in one fight.
Even a couple years ago, when I was in null, I still remember the 1st time I sidled up to a Titan for a jump. It was pretty damn cool.
Now, a couple years later, they are as common as carriers were 3 years ago.

While I too, would like to see a game with finite resources, I just don't know how the game mechanics would work.
But until CCP does something to curb the ease at which they are produced today, the shock and awe value of seeing one used, or destroyed, is pretty much zero.

If you look at the closest real world analogy we have today, what would be the impact if the u.s lost a Nimitz, or the Russians lost the Admiral Kuznetsov, or if the Brits lose the Queen Elizabeth (if they ever finish it)?
There would books written about it, movies made, heroes and goats immortalized forever.

Today, in Eve, I understand individual pilots have had multiple titans blown up from under them.
Kind of cheapens the whole thing, yet we have these null sec babies screaming about how important their gameplay is, and how it is the only thing saving Eve, and by extension, CCP, today.

And if you look at how the US navy grew in WW2, you'll realize that this isn't a new "problem" confined to EVE: http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org9-4.htm
Look at the increases in the "U.S. Navy Active Ship Force Levels, 1938-1944" table. Then look at the decreases in the following chart for 1945-1950.

More is more.


Yes, I see the massive buildup over WWII.
And the equally massive decline.
Canada at the end of WWII has the 3rd largest navy, based on the amount of anti-sub corvettes they used to escort convoys. Today, our Navy is a joke.

But my point about a supercarrier today being the equivalent of Eve's supercaps still stands.
As of today, I believe there are 6 supercarrier hulls being built in the world: 3 Gerald Ford hulls, 2 Queen Elizabeth hulls, and I believe the Chinese are working on their first domestically produced hull.
The three Gerald Fords are looking to be churned out in 2016, 2020, and 2025, basically one every 5 years.
Yes it is peace time, and if a cold war with China every geared up, output would increase.

But they are still a massive massive industrial under-taking, and the Eve equivalents should be more difficult to churn out than they are today.

How many of the supposedly 16 Titan pilots today who have lost one will be back in another tomorrow?

The entire idea that Titans are essentially a throw-away toy has reduced any idea that these fights are relevant to a total joke. That and the fact that even if this battle dealt a crippling blow to either side's supercap fleet, the Blue Blanket deal that goons and PL inked last week forbids either side attacking the other's home systems.

This fight is just an expensive thunderdome.

There are at this point hundreds of Titans in a game with litterally millions of ships. if you don't think a Titan kill is epic then thats all just in your head.
Edmark I
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2014-01-27 20:21:38 UTC
I believe the current kill count is 13 dead PL/N3 titans to 5 CFC/RUS
Mario Putzo
#105 - 2014-01-27 20:21:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Annnnd im disconnected no more updates from me unless I get back in booourns.


was 13-6 when my client pooped its pants.

edit: Im stuck looking at a spinning load screen so I am just going to stay DC'd.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#106 - 2014-01-27 20:22:39 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
12-6 N3PL seem to be every so slightly killing at a faster clip than CFCRUS are.

Could be very interesting evening ahead....

(added note. Don't try and get through immensia without a cyno bridge/jump every gate is traffic copped and a turkey shoot.)


Once the US re-enforcements for both sides start welping-in, things should get downright messy. This is a fight that's going to spread.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#107 - 2014-01-27 20:26:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Jenn aSide wrote:

There are at this point hundreds of Titans in a game with litterally millions of ships. if you don't think a Titan kill is epic then thats all just in your head.


A titan kill isn't the worlds-colliding news it used to be, but a supercap fight with 2+T in losses only a couple hours in is very noteworthy. There will be decent economic and possibly diplomatic repercussions from this fight, and as pointed out earlier, this should be heavenly news to the well positioned industrialist!

*edit* I meant two+ Trillion (as already reported on killboards), not 2+ Billion.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#108 - 2014-01-27 20:28:17 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
12-6 N3PL seem to be every so slightly killing at a faster clip than CFCRUS are.

Could be very interesting evening ahead....

(added note. Don't try and get through immensia without a cyno bridge/jump every gate is traffic copped and a turkey shoot.)


Once the US re-enforcements for both sides start welping-in, things should get downright messy. This is a fight that's going to spread.


It might spread, but more likely it'll result in a crashed node.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#109 - 2014-01-27 20:29:03 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
A titan kill isn't the worlds-colliding news it used to be, but a supercap fight with 2+b is noteworthy


> 2b? I mean, I welped a 1.5b Mach yesterday out of bordeom Shocked

Bacon makes us stronger
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#110 - 2014-01-27 20:29:39 UTC
Records are being broken as we speak. Most titans lost in a single fight and whatnot.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#111 - 2014-01-27 20:30:38 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
12-6 N3PL seem to be every so slightly killing at a faster clip than CFCRUS are.

Could be very interesting evening ahead....

(added note. Don't try and get through immensia without a cyno bridge/jump every gate is traffic copped and a turkey shoot.)


Once the US re-enforcements for both sides start welping-in, things should get downright messy. This is a fight that's going to spread.


It might spread, but more likely it'll result in a crashed node.

Maybe.
But the Node's doing fine so far, and CFC seems to have learned their lesson from HED-GP.
Mario Putzo
#112 - 2014-01-27 20:30:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
2B is kinda low...Probably much closer to 2T allready. Average about 100B per Titan. W/ 19 dead Titans.

e: I wonder is CCP can handle having 2 multi thousand man fights going on. I think that things are going to start spilling over into surrounding systems. Big Subcap fights are on the horizon.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#113 - 2014-01-27 20:31:13 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
2B is kinda low...Probably much closer to 2T allready. Average about 100B per Titan. W/ 19 dead Titans.



Figured he prolly meant 2T... :p

Bacon makes us stronger
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#114 - 2014-01-27 20:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

There are at this point hundreds of Titans in a game with litterally millions of ships. if you don't think a Titan kill is epic then thats all just in your head.


A titan kill isn't the worlds-colliding news it used to be, but a supercap fight with 2+b in losses only a couple hours in is very noteworthy. There will be decent economic and possibly diplomatic repercussions from this fight, and as pointed out earlier, this should be heavenly news to the well positioned industrialist!

2B ISK in losses? I've seen mission-running strat cruisers in that range alone. Hell, a well-fit dred costs more than that.

Carmen Electra wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
2B is kinda low...Probably much closer to 2T allready. Average about 100B per Titan. W/ 19 dead Titans.



Figured he prolly meant 2T... :p

One should hope!
Edmark I
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#115 - 2014-01-27 20:32:46 UTC
14-5 Smile
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#116 - 2014-01-27 20:34:42 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
2B is kinda low...Probably much closer to 2T allready. Average about 100B per Titan. W/ 19 dead Titans.



Figured he prolly meant 2T... :p


I meant 2T..... lol
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#117 - 2014-01-27 20:34:47 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Edmark I wrote:
14-5 Smile


is there a way to confirm this or shall we just trust the meta king of eve and take his word for it.

i see 12-6.

lets see what happens with all the new toys landing on field

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Edmark I
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#118 - 2014-01-27 20:36:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Edmark I
MeBiatch wrote:
Edmark I wrote:
14-5 Smile


is there a way to confirm this or shall we just trust the meta king of eve and take his word for it.


It will be confirmed eventually on killboards but I am there watching these things die, theres no reason to make **** up.

EDIT: grrr goons
Mario Putzo
#119 - 2014-01-27 20:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
MeBiatch wrote:
Edmark I wrote:
14-5 Smile


is there a way to confirm this or shall we just trust the meta king of eve and take his word for it.


When I dc'd it was 13-6, friend says its 14-6 now, and N3 is slowing down because Shield Titans are in short supply.

CFC is going to break the wreaking ball.....GRRRR Drone assist and OP Archons.

(im disappointed they aren't using Alpha tornados in support to blap the carriers.)
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#120 - 2014-01-27 20:38:42 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Edmark I wrote:
14-5 Smile


is there a way to confirm this or shall we just trust the meta king of eve and take his word for it.


When I dc'd it was 13-6, friend says its 14-6 now, and N3 is slowing down because Shield Titans are in short supply.

CFC is going to break the wreaking ball.....GRRRR Drone assist and OP Archons.


i dunno i'll go by nick fuzzeh live stream. though we need more to die... i want to see 25 for 15... now that would be great

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.