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Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#341 - 2014-01-27 18:30:45 UTC
Let's see if I can make this very simple. People who scan down a mission runner and warp to the mission become suspect per Abdul's proposal. Going by this, that means groups of people can do this and use the mission site as defacto PVP arenas. They will obviously want to get the mission rats out of the way as they will just provide a unwanted distraction. In so doing that will cause mission triggers to effed up, and if there is a mission specific rat that drops a completion item; then the loot will be owned by the person who got the final blow on the rat. If that person is not the person running the mission, then he has to run the risk of stealing the loot and becoming suspect himself.

Also, what if the person running the missions pretends to cry for support in local and several people respond? What if said person invites them to fleet, and then said person kicks them from fleet while they are in warp to the mission site? Will they become suspect per this proposal? Let's say they arrive on field and are suspect. They find to their dismay when they arrive that the mission runner is actually a PVPer who tricked them into the coming, and he has support. PVP ensues.

Congratulations you have just created several ways to ruin the missioning experience!
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#342 - 2014-01-27 18:31:03 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
No guys, we need to first know if there is any misunderstanding of the main points.

Please, this is important.
So now what? No one will be flagged?
It's not hard to see the out come of your idea. That those you do not like, WILL be flagged. Therefore people will most likely use your mission as a fighting ground. Chances are this will also lead to far more missions runners losing ships, as well as mission items.



Guys, patience, you obviously care about Jonas and he needs time to form his words....

Give him that.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

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Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#343 - 2014-01-27 18:32:23 UTC
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Jonas Porter wrote:
thank you Archibald and Mags, that is correct.

Abdul, again, i understand that player warping to the mission not invited will get suspected.
Mercs and vigilants looking to fight them will also come in. I will not invite them because i dont want them to mess up the mission. Please, how will your suggestion prevent it?



Tell me what you understand the basis of the suggestion to be, in your own words.


You have all the time you need Jonas, no pressure man

Go ahead.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#344 - 2014-01-27 18:33:19 UTC
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
No guys, we need to first know if there is any misunderstanding of the main points.

Please, this is important.
So now what? No one will be flagged?
It's not hard to see the out come of your idea. That those you do not like, WILL be flagged. Therefore people will most likely use your mission as a fighting ground. Chances are this will also lead to far more missions runners losing ships, as well as mission items.



Guys, patience, you obviously care about Jonas and he needs time to form his words....

Give him that.


What's the point? You don't have an answer.

Oh god.
Jonas Porter
Doomheim
#345 - 2014-01-27 18:33:44 UTC
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Jonas Porter wrote:
thank you Archibald and Mags, that is correct.

Abdul, again, i understand that player warping to the mission not invited will get suspected.
Mercs and vigilants looking to fight them will also come in. I will not invite them because i dont want them to mess up the mission. Please, how will your suggestion prevent it?



Tell me what you understand the basis of the suggestion to be, in your own words.


I have just done that!
I am starting to think that their is no answer Sad
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#346 - 2014-01-27 18:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
Jonas Porter wrote:
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Jonas Porter wrote:
thank you Archibald and Mags, that is correct.

Abdul, again, i understand that player warping to the mission not invited will get suspected.
Mercs and vigilants looking to fight them will also come in. I will not invite them because i dont want them to mess up the mission. Please, how will your suggestion prevent it?



Tell me what you understand the basis of the suggestion to be, in your own words.


I have just done that!
I am starting to think that their is no answer Sad



You've done what?

We need to go slow because of all the external factors that can mess up translation (emotion, language barrier, etc.)

To help, I need to first know what you understand about the idea including what you understand of the basis for the suggestion.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#347 - 2014-01-27 18:36:48 UTC
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
No guys, we need to first know if there is any misunderstanding of the main points.

Please, this is important.
So now what? No one will be flagged?
It's not hard to see the out come of your idea. That those you do not like, WILL be flagged. Therefore people will most likely use your mission as a fighting ground. Chances are this will also lead to far more missions runners losing ships, as well as mission items.



Guys, patience, you obviously care about Jonas and he needs time to form his words....

Give him that.


Stop being obnoxious to the guy. He has clearly asked 3 times. I have asked once on his behalf.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Mag's
Azn Empire
#348 - 2014-01-27 18:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Guys, patience, you obviously care about Jonas and he needs time to form his words....

Give him that.

Abdul 'aleem wrote:
You have all the time you need Jonas, no pressure man

Go ahead.


I wouldn't have believed it possible, but you just came off as even more condescending after those 2 posts.
You didn't even answer my post or Archibald's, on the question.

Edit: Some stuff removed. Sinking to their level and all that.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#349 - 2014-01-27 18:41:30 UTC
Well he did post this:


Jonas Porter wrote:
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
All this idea would do is make mission sites in Hisec into PVP arenas.

So groups wanting to fight each other in hisec, but don't want to wardec or use the dueling system; will just scan down a mission site and warp to it. They all go suspect, so all will be good.



Estella has vested interest in making sure that this suggestion doesn't get implemented.

She knows that right now, the game mechanic is broken and she can invade a mission and steal high value mission items without any significant options for the missioner to counter.

If this idea is implemented, she and others like her cannot victimize missioners so easily.

And they know it.

You'll see a lot of their posts trying to scare you into staying in a position where they can continue to victimize you.

It's kind of funny how many gankers/griefers/"pirates" and thieves hang out in Missions & Complexes....

They must find it easy to bully and/or scare people in here.


Can you counter Estella's point?
So far I've been with you until she raised this.
I don't want my mission turning into a free-for-all for high-sec pvpers!



What did you mean by "So far I've been with you until she raised this..?"

I am confused.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#350 - 2014-01-27 18:43:13 UTC
Really??

He means he agreed with you, up until someone raised the issue of lots of people using his mission for a pvp brawl.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Mag's
Azn Empire
#351 - 2014-01-27 18:43:19 UTC
Abdul 'aleem wrote:


I am confused.
We know.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jonas Porter
Doomheim
#352 - 2014-01-27 18:44:33 UTC
I have explained my understanding of youre suggestion!
These are my first posts on eve forums because of your post on missioner forums. I read this thread on the features forums and i undestand that you suggest suspecting players who warp to mission because they are going to theif the loot. At first i agree with this but mercs and vigilants can also come in to shoot the theifs. they will mess the mission up.
Please can you think of a way of avoiding this?
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#353 - 2014-01-27 18:46:14 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Really??

He means he agreed with you, up until someone raised the issue of lots of people using his mission for a pvp brawl.


Guys, it is important that Jonas speak so I know what he is saying and what his understanding is.

Did you read and understand the whole original post and the thread as your statement suggests, Jonas?

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#354 - 2014-01-27 18:46:54 UTC
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Really??

He means he agreed with you, up until someone raised the issue of lots of people using his mission for a pvp brawl.


Guys, it is important that Jonas speak so I know what he is saying and what his understanding is.

Did you read and understand the whole original post and the thread as your statement suggests, Jonas?
Now you're just trolling.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#355 - 2014-01-27 18:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
Jonas Porter wrote:
I have explained my understanding of youre suggestion!
These are my first posts on eve forums because of your post on missioner forums. I read this thread on the features forums and i undestand that you suggest suspecting players who warp to mission because they are going to theif the loot. At first i agree with this but mercs and vigilants can also come in to shoot the theifs. they will mess the mission up.
Please can you think of a way of avoiding this?



Why do you think this?

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#356 - 2014-01-27 18:47:21 UTC
Ok...it took some time, but the thread finally delivers..XD
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#357 - 2014-01-27 18:49:09 UTC
The goal is laudable, but the proposal causes too many holes. Needs to be rethinked. Maybe a game mechanic that makes it so interlopers cannot loot until all rats in the mission are killed, or a mechanic that makes it so mission loot cans can only be accessed by the player who was given the mission. The latter could be done by making the loot can a small secure container keyed to the mission runner who accepted the mission. I would perfer the former as that would make it more balanced within the risk/reward arena.

After all, in regards to the COSMOS mission your reward will be a 1bil+ implant, while the Wei Todaki can be found on the market for around 500mil(?); which means you can still get a 500mil + reward out of the deal if you have to buy it. That is still huge. Plus you are also going for faction standing when running these mission which if done right will net you with faction ship BPCs at the end of the COSMOS mission arc.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#358 - 2014-01-27 18:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
Jonas Porter wrote:
I have explained my understanding of youre suggestion!
These are my first posts on eve forums because of your post on missioner forums. I read this thread on the features forums and i undestand that you suggest suspecting players who warp to mission because they are going to theif the loot. At first i agree with this but mercs and vigilants can also come in to shoot the theifs. they will mess the mission up.
Please can you think of a way of avoiding this?



Lemme try another way:

List the order of events that you are afraid of.

We can use your language if it's easier for you.

We can talk privately if you feel more comfortable I don't mind.

Understanding something takes time, I have time no problem.

You said you were with me, I need to confirm that you understand the original post so that there is no misunderstanding due to language. There was a lot of information and thread crapping to try to confuse people.

When you said you were with me, did you mean that you agreed with the suggestion?

If you did, I need to now how you think events would happen, up to the point you are afraid of.

The order of events is important to understand (how you are thinking of the events happening*).

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

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Jonas Porter
Doomheim
#359 - 2014-01-27 19:52:09 UTC
You keep answering my question with quesitons. I dont believe you have an answer.
I have thought about this and I think everything is ok as it is. I only ever see 1 theif in my missions and he went away after a while.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#360 - 2014-01-27 19:53:57 UTC
Jonas Porter wrote:
You keep answering my question with quesitons. I dont believe you have an answer.
I have thought about this and I think everything is ok as it is. I only ever see 1 theif in my missions and he went away after a while.



Yes I will answer for certain.

As you know language barriers require patience.

You be patient with me as I try to understand you, and I will be patient with you so you can understand me.

What is your native tongue?

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

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