Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is also the issue of war targets hiding in mission sites. They use an alt to start a mission, fleet up the at war main and stay in the mission. Anyone who tries to find them ends up going suspect because the alt 'owns' the site.

Ok. That answers the problem of warping to the wrong target when hunting for a war target. It still steps on the toes of salvagers.
Post 262 if it doesn't link correctly You want to give players a suspect flag for 'doing nothing wrong'.

edited and reposted for clarity:

This suggestion does not criminalize salvaging at all. It only makes mission invasion/trespassing a suspicious act. Salvaging wrecks would not be criminal or suspicious at all. But, choosing to invade the missioner's site without permission to get that salvage would be a "suspcious act" and you would be flagged if you choose to do it (again without permission).

If CCP intended for salvagers to have 0 risk in salvaging, they would be immune to attack in all areas while they salvaged. It's legal to salvage wrecks in WH, Low and Null space, but doing so carries a certain amount of risk due to the location choice. The fact that salvagers can be attacked while salvaging in these locations is proof that CCP does not have the intention of making the choice to salvage risk free.

A suspect flag for trespassing just puts the decision to salvage in a mission owner's pocket without permission on par with the decision to salvage in WH, Low Sec or Null Sec space. They are never forced to go into any of these areas to salvage nor are they prevented. If the salvager chooses to enter these areas or invade a mission owner's space because the reward (ISK value of salvage) is higher, there is nothing wrong with it carrying a slightly higher level of risk.

In the end, the innocent salvager will only need to contact the missioner to get permission to salvage the site. The salvage thief/griefer gets the flag. If the site is empty/vacant/abandoned, the risk to any of them is almost zero.

An unintended bonus of adding a suspect flag for trespassing may be that it creates the opportunity for salvaging players to experience the risk/excitement associated with salvaging in high risk/high reward areas like WH, Low and Null without actually exposing them to the full risk of being in those areas....



You have committed what is defined in RL as "trespassing" and it is a crime because you did so without the owner's permission.

For clarity: IRL you cannot legally go into my house without permission to get a drink of water, even though getting a drink of water is legal.

In-game terms: salvaging is legal and remains so... choosing to trespass/invade a missioner's pocket without permission is suspicious.

I am asking that CCP correctly identify the act of trespassing/invasion into a mission owner's space as a suspicious act and generate the appropriate suspect flag.

Sorry for confusing you by crossing RL terms and game terms.


TLDR

Salvaging is and always will be a legal act.

The chosen locations will carry risk.

If a suspect flag is generated for tespassing/mission invasion, choosing a missioner's space as the location for salvaging would just have the same risk as choosing to salvage in any other area with a higher risk/reward equation (WH, Low, Null).

This is covered in the original post.

And, I agree* giving suspect flags to people for mission invasion is a very bad idea. (if you are a ganker/griefer/"pirate" or thief*)

No its not. The alt is not at war and the main, who is at war is hiding in the alts mission. Under your idea they would have to go suspect in order to catch the war target.

I have I suggest you do too. You seem confused by your own idea.

On that basis we should make all mission runners go suspect as soon as they undock. After all its just the same as mission running in other risky space.

See how daft that would be.

Edit- and back to insults. seriously??

wow you sound "piratey."

Are you scared of a suspect flag for mission invasion because you might get shot too?

The presumption of ownership is based on all the given facts, if CCP intended something other than ownership of the site then wrecks would all be blue, and rats would be available on D-scan as soon as the mission is accepted (For missions with prespawned rats). So based on that the change in Rules of Engagement are simple and justified.

If your scanning down a War target and not using a scout to verify.. well just NO.

How? Pirates in HS go out of their way to get a limited engagement with missioners, thus using cans, MTUs, wrecks and anything else they can to become a suspect and provoke a reaction...I don't really understand what you are trying to say here.