Missions & Complexes

This is a failure of an argument. If I want your Wei-Todaki there is literally not a thing you can do to stop me from either taking it or destroying it.

Let me explain.

I warp to somewhere outside of your D-scan range (~15AU) and drop my probes. I then move said probes 20+ AU above the plane of the system to put them in a place where you simply cannot ever see them on D-scan. If the system happens to be small enough that I can't warp outside your d-scan range, you have about 5-6 seconds to notice my probes before they are gone. No one hits D-scan that often. I lived in wormholes for almost 2 years, I am the most paranoid pilot in Eve, to the point where I keep d-scan up and scanning even when in a system with no one in local. It's a habit at this point. Even I don't hit d-scan every 5 seconds. You will not see me drop my probes. I 100% guarantee it.

I then use my d-scan to narrow your position down to within a very small area. This is done by finding you with the 5 degrees setting and then getting a range. Do this twice from two different places and I know roughly where you are, to within half an AU or so (or more usually, just find you once with 15 degrees and get a range, that is almost always enough). I then place my probes there and hit scan. Instantly I have a warpable hit. By the time you see my probes scanning you down, it is too late, you cannot stop me from getting a warp in for your mission site.

All in all, you have a single 5-6 second window to notice me dropping my probes, and only then if the system is less than 15AU across, not many are... If you miss that window, I have a warp in for your mission and unless you're already looting the wreck before I get to you, you can't do a thing to stop me.

Once I have your mission pocket, I can get into it with no problem and simply cloak and wait for you to kill the mission rat. I will be orbitting said mission rat at 500m when it dies and loot the wreck before you. If you leave, I will bring an alt in a PvE ship. If you shoot me, you lose your ship and most likely wont have a replacement at hand. I then bring my alt and finish the mission and scoop the loot.

And the best part; If you are orbitting the rat at 500m as well and are ready to contest the drop, there is nothing stopping me from simply shooting the wreck. I can lock it and fire faster than you can loot it, thanks to inventory lag. If I can't have it, no one can. Heck, I don't know if smart bombs kill wrecks, but if they do, then you have 0 chance of getting the wreck.

The best part is that I can circumvent the entire loot situation by simply bringing some alts or friends and just killing you. 1.5b for the drop? I can suicide-gank your ship for much less. You have friends too? Well then we're back to orbitting at 500m and shooting the wreck if it looks like I don't have a 100% chance to loot.

If I want your drop, I'm going to get it, or I'm going to destroy it. There is absolutely no way you can change this.

Good gawd, talk about being brain dead, you've gone flat-line.

The proposal doesn't make High Sec more safe, it does just the opposite. I can understand why you're so vocal against it since it would add a little bit of risk to your zero-risk game play activity.

As for trolling, your replies here definitely fit the criteria, especially since you're just making stuff up.


DMC

Thanks for that!

The way I would solve that - on the presumption that you have a virtue fitted alt that I don't know the name of, and will never see uncloaked.

(a) fly a t3 with eccm sub + eccms fitted.
(b) not field drones at all - in my case that would be a rail proteus and just keep the 25m3 bayed.
(c) do the encounter by shooting something, then shooting its wreck, so that references to the encounter location are not left in space.
(d) leave the encounter regularly for long periods, (or just cloak up and do other stuff for a while if aggro drops), so as to deny you an ongoing reference for you to d-scan yourself closer with. In the end you'd be left with little pieces of the puzzle stretched over multiple time zones.
(e) keep the d-scan spam up, which is something that I am capable of doing in these scenarios, especially because I'd not attempt to complete it all in 1 go so I might be d-scan spamming for 5 minutes at a time.

I completely recognise that there being a solution is just like there being a solution to miner ganking though - ie people will read this thread after they lose their object, and not before, so how to make your life hard being published, won't even dent your efficiency, but its there.

(of course if DMC is directing a lot of people there in a guide, he might be able to short circuit that a bit).

As you shoot wrecks in your blithe and stupid way, their scout will know when you are in the second last pocket because you have been scanned down long ago, and they can either enter and watch cloaked, or just watch the wrecks pile up on d-scan, which the guy has already 5%'d and isolated your wrecks from everyone elses, and knows the encounter well enough to know where you are up to.

Gandalf, and thieves are never late, they arrive exactly when they need to arrive.

They'll turn up with it 5v1 and unless the rules are utterly ********, as soon as you shoot, the one you shoot can shoot back and the others will rep him, and they'll move to and kill the loot ship, or they'll just point you and kill you first. ie your rule change will literally not stop these guys.

You literally can't do every mission with a posse in there with you (because its horribly boring), and if you were tipped off enough to bring a posse in the first place, then you were also tipped off enough to bring a T3 and thus do all the tihings that would stop them getting into your mission space yourself - and with a posse you would probably have cleared the mission fast enough that they wouldn't have got around to you anyway (ie you don't need this rule change).

afaik -this- mission does not have a tight timer, and its this mission they are focusing on (probably because it does take a long time and lets them track you down well before they need to enter).

Missioners really don't even have to hire anyone to defend their mission. I'm sure there are people who love the idea of being able to setup a cloaked ambush in hi-sec waiting for someone to come a long and pop them. They may or may not fleet up with the missioners as they could just easily sit at the warp-in cloaked until someone shows up then dog pile.

I think it's a neat idea. Ninja salvaging will be removed, mission invaders take risk, mission runners don't really have that much risk unless they attack the suspect unprepared, drones don't go after suspects unless the suspect shoots a deployable owned by the pilot.

It wasn't a good idea in features and ideas. It isn't a good idea here.

I'm at 0 risk as a mission runner if someone warps into my mission, unless it happens to be 12 catalysts. I think getting ganked or baited in a mission is total crap. Still, let it go.

Can we stop with the sensationalist thread titles? This is worse than watching t.v. - up next - could your cereal be killing you?

You need to stop trying to chove your EvE ideas and opinions down our collective throats.

This is not true; no one is protected.....the suicider is assured by concord that his ship will be blown up....thats something else than concord "protecting" the missioner.

All this idea would do is make mission sites in Hisec into PVP arenas.

So groups wanting to fight each other in hisec, but don't want to wardec or use the dueling system; will just scan down a mission site and warp to it. They all go suspect, so all will be good.

Can you counter Estella's point?
So far I've been with you until she raised this.
I don't want my mission turning into a free-for-all for high-sec pvpers!

I have no vested interest what so ever. I am in faction warfare, so I can't even go to Caldari COSMOS. If I want PVP, I stay in lowsec. If I want isk, I farm FW plexes for LP. I can make more isk from that than any mission invasion would ever provide.