Out of Pod Experience

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Even if it was in the terms and conditions, it still isn't theft. It's a violation of the terms and conditions.

Downloading movies and music and books and games that aren't yours isn't theft. It's copyright infringement. There is a very important and real difference.

When people can start wrapping their heads around that simple fact, they might be able to start discussing this topic rationally. While at face value the difference between copyright violation and theft seems arbitrary and semantic, it isn't and the above posts make for a perfect example of why.

I hate slippery slope crap but:

When you have already been convinced that copyright infringement is theft,
How long is it until it's theft for you to record a TV show?
How long is it until they have you believing using adblocker is theft? Skipping commercials on TV?

What else might be considered theft after that?

At the end of the day I think the real question(s) everyone should ask themselves is:

-Do we really want an open a free internet that will continue to fuel a most epic revolution of communications and information?

-If yes, what lengths are we willing to go, what laws are we willing to change or abandon to preserve that?

Because the internet, the exchange of information we currently have could be considered the most powerful resource to ever exist. And there are people out there that want it. They want to own it. They don't want to put things on it to sell you and make money, they want to own the very concept of networking information, they want you to be legally obligated to go through them to get it.

Our society is obsessed with control and profit. It's why we don't produce engineers so much as lawyers and hedge fund managers. People want to buy you out, sell you out, sue you, make what is yours, theirs. (edit: can you see the irony here? One could say they want to "legally" steal my stuff while I want to "illegally" not-steal theirs )

They are already well on the way to locking it down and controlling it. Why? Why to further control you of course, to dip into your pockets a bit more. To control your lives some more. To monopolize and capitalize on one more thing. To harness you. The green eyed monster is never sated, never full.

It may sound silly and rhetorical, but I hope you can see the truth of it.

It isn't theft, especially if you never produce a physical copy, and/or never try to seek profit of your own for (or via) the product.

Yes, of course it's "wrong" to download stuff you never paid for but only in regards to legality and only under copyright law (no theft has occurred). However while I do see legal precedent, I see no moral argument. I'll never concede that it makes me a bad person or that I'm somehow impacting someone elses business.

By viewing the product I may realize my suspicions that I wanted nothing to do with the product to begin with... I may be encouraged to purchase it.

But I haven't done anything more illegal than jaywalking and I certainly haven't hurt anyone.... except the lawyers feelings when they realize their letter to intimidate me into settling outside of court (the real business venture here !!) is going to get sent back to them with instructions where to stick it (not that I'm dumb enough to d/l w/o using vpn tunnels and other common sense protections)

Although copyright law has become severely bloated in the US and easily manipulated, I do support it as a way to allow people to profit off their creations. Copyright infringement isn't theft, its worse. Its stealing somebody's creative works and partaking in them for free, if they intended to do that there are plenty of ways for someone to release their creative works at no cost.

I do believe game developers and the like should offer demos (like how you can preview a book or song before you purchase them), but regardless of whether they do or don't, you shouldn't decide that there is nothing wrong with violating their right to profit off of their creative works. I pirated games for a long while, once I had the ability and money to pay for things on my own, I did. (I may have pirated one game... but I can't actually purchase it any other way because **** Eidos Store not selling to the US and not offering a physical copy...).

All this being said, copyright law is taken to absurd levels in the US, and needs to be shortened to about ten years maximum again. Seriously, lifetime + 70 years is absurd.

Piracy isn't stealing. Stealing is when you take something from someone so they can no longer use it. Piracy is forceful sharing. ^^ Because some people are greedy. When it comes to computer games, and software, we should start to do it like they do in libraries. If you copy the pages of a book you borrowed from the library, it isnt illegal. Same should go for software.

Notch, the developer of Minecraft, has explained his take on intellectual property and piracy during a series of rapid fire talks at the Game Developer Conference in San Francisco. Speaking to developers and journalists he explained: “A lot of big companies try to make piracy like theft; I wouldn’t steal a car, but I would steal a good design. If I liked another person’s apartment, I would try to make mine look like someone else’s… but that’s not stealing.”

MONEY IS CRAP, and only a sign of greed!

Do you own a 360 and all the CoD games as well? Would explain a lot then.

Skyrim does not suck. It is one of the best games currently out there, and not just according to my opinion, it's according to many many people's opinions.

If you don't like that type of game, move on to something else. Don't knock a game that's almost universally loved just because it doesn't fit your preference of game....

I have a very similar view of movies, and I'm just too jaded to bother even pirating most games. So many **** games and movies this is where people are, but when real gem comes along you have to give it credit and Skyrim is such a gem.

So yeah, just confirming that the menu works perfectly with a mouse.

ITT:

4 posts countering the OP's negative points about skyrim.

dozens of posts herping and derping about piracy.

Successful troll is successful.

The only real argument against piracy in this thread is that pirates get a **** version of Skyrim where the mouse doesn't work, while those who payed get a working mouse.

Edit: Mordin dies in ME3 = I'll never play it.

It works like **** in the bought version as well, to be fair.

yeah but dude, it's Mordin!

Not anymore, it's been fixed for a while.