Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Surrendering & paying up never actually ends wardecs - it just funds the griefer corp with even more grief ships, and the wardec is immediately put back on the next week. And everyone knows this, it's EvE 101. The only way to make it stop is to inflict actual damage on the griefers, and this is where mercs come in... or rather, don't.

The common wardec/merc scam:

Main toon in a merc corp. Alt toon in griefer corp. Griefer corp used to wardec helpless target. Merc corp immediately spams them an offer to "join in war" for 100,000,000ISK or whatever. Once paid, main pockets money and docks up for a week. Griefer alt may or may not call off war.

Griefer collects even more ISK than the regular surrender & tricks the target into thinking that they've accomplished something... until the wardec is back the next week.

Or you can cloak up in a safe and operate business as usual via station trading skills, remote manufacturing and remote research (those last two require intelligent placement of corporate offices). Outsource anything you need moved to Push Industries or Red Frog (remember that you don't need to link your contracts in their pub channels and if you feel you must, remember to replace the pickup/dropoff systems with X's so you dont hand out free intel to WTs who might be in their channel)

Edit: Remember, pick a standard number of X's and stick with it. If you use the same number of X's as there are letters in each system name, your WT's could potentially figure it out.

War Dec system may need some work, but it's freedom of application is not broken.

-Hire mercs

-Join an alliance

-Fold into a larger corp

-recruit more people

Unless you move to nullsec.

I haven't read the entire thread, just skimmed it, so if someone has already said this please accept my apologies.

One of the things those who live in high sec and get war decced constantly should understand: It's safer and better in (some regions of) Nullsec. One of the positive things about high sec war decs is it helps some groups of people to move to nullsec purely because it's less of a hassle than dealing with the war decs. Most people that move to null enjoy the game a lot more for it.

If you have issues in high sec you should consider moving to nullsec. A few benefits:

1) Your miners have access to much better ores. Your mining profits will go up.
2) If you move to the right place and join the right alliance, station services are cheaper.
3) If you get harrassed your alliance will help you.
4) No more war decs. If it's red, it's dangerous. That simple.You follow the nullsec rules and you're safer than you ever were in high sec.
5) PI is better in null than in high sec by a long way.

For any who wants to try out nullsec, Providence is the best place to start if you don't already have contacts in null.

There is so much I can say about this subject from both sides being the aggressor and defender as to why the system is broken.

The downside is that neither side involved in this is ever going to agree on the solution lets face it an industrial corp who just wants to mine isn't going to agree with what the war system should be with the corp war decing them wants. Well as CCP has balanced the hell out of everything else they leave this system so one sided surprises me the most.

Lets look at the major flaws in the current system:

• You don't need to fight once a war has started, so yes you can sit in a station all week or not log in.
• The system on the most part doesn't encourage player interaction.
• You only have to camp a trade hub with 26 war decs in the hope some idiot unlocks in a freighter and you get to kill it.
• If your corp has no assets in space you can abandon the corp.
• Exiting the war is one sided, only the aggressor can give up it seems or if the defender wants out there is usually a large ISK payment involved (that is fine you should expect that and then get war deced a few weeks later to do the same will be the result).

Part of me would like to see another revamp so that there is a more interesting way to use wars PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS:

War Contracts: A corp can only declare war if they have been contracted to do so, this will give the war a little more meaning and maybe limit the number of active yet pointless wars. So this would be Corp A takes Corp B's asteroids so Corp B hires Corp C to keep them out of space for a week. I see that as the constructive solution to some issues in space. HOWEVER, even if it were not to replace the system it would be still cool to have it as you could add bonuses if you kill stuff meaning that it would force those taking on the war to work for their pay, but that is if only the war targets are up for the fight in the first place.

Bribe a CONCORD official to end your war: An easy exit for those corps willing to pay their way out and would rather be extorted by a corrupt employee of CONCORD, to have a war never happen you fly out to a low sec CONCORD office and contact an agent or something there and pay them an ever increasing amount of ISK to stop your wars. Maybe the amount resets to a base value every 60 days or something. I will point out that I know this will not be popular with those corps looking to have a little fun with the carebears, but I doubt you would have even see the corps in space any way if they use this feature .

Command Center: The Command Center is a deployable structure that acts as a control point. An agressing corp deploys one in the constellation where their war targets operate in, it will then show up on the overview for all pilots involved in the war. The point of this structure is to have the agressors defend it from the agressed corp. This should help encourage some interaction if the defenders manage to control this control point for maybe a day the war will be flagged as over. Deploying the Command Center should probably give some bonus to the pilots holding the structure, maybe it acts as a command ship giving a low level bonus to a few things.

Safe Zones: These are areas that can be made safe zones by an agressed corp by deploying a structure or paying a fee, the Safe Zone will be flagged to the agrssor, so they have to go find the beacon and destroy it to allow the system to be a free kill zone. These cannot be placed near a starbase making it fair to the agressor and they should be limited to maybe 5 structures in a region. so like the Command Center they have to be defended but they are destructible. Systems like Jita you don't want hundreds of these structures so you have to pay ISK to CONCORD again and it would be a huge fee to remain safe in there. So it could kick a few Jita campers out.

So lets face it the main problem is getting everyone involved in a war dec interacting, it is usually more fun if you do get to fight, but most fleet commanders probably wont order their fleets into a slaughter in a system that is all about ISK lost, and if they do using expensive well fit ships isn't going to help in the future.

Avoiding war decs if you are individual just move to a new corp or an NPC corp, if you are mining or doing missions to make PLEX then I usually don't care if that member drops corp they make useful haulers and scouts later. If a corp has no assets, POCOs or Starbases, yeah just quit and start again, seen that from both sides, it isn't just Carebear corps that do that seen many Merc corps do that too. Not sure if it is really a bad thing, but it is annoying at times.

So yeah I realise most of what I have said probably wont be popular, but if you just want to kill anything that moves then consider going to low sec or 0.0 where everything is a possible target, which is the usual argument for the high sec miners where Mining in 0.0 is so easy, which is usually stated by a pilot who wouldn't know an Ice Miner from a Strip Miner . As I have been around a bit I will point out all those people in High Sec are there for a reason, mostly for the proximity to the trade hubs so they can produce the ships and weapons the mercs use to shoot them with. So yeah 0.0 and WH's can be safer but this is Eve nowhere is safe, which is usually the first lesson you have to learn.

Final thought, I am fairly certain unless they changed it, if you use an neutral remote rep on a pilot involved in a war gets you a suspect flag and makes you a target to anyone, not just the war targets.

The main problem is.. that the target structures you might have in HIGh sec are the same as low sec and have HP pool designed to be killed by dreads. THerefore you will NOT see wars with real objectives until a lot of infrastructure things are changed.

Agreed. Maybe the numbers exactly can be tweeked, but your general ideas are right.

Also corp hooping must be fixed. So many corps have division 1 to 9 and move ALl members between them to avoid wars that is Stupid.


Wars should track members and contaminate the receiving corp.

Yeah, but he's got a point. All you high sec wardeccers ever claim is you want fights. You want combat, right? right? You want to get into fights, yeah? Have I got that right? So his point stands. If all wardeccing corps became suspect you'd get lots more fights.

The main thing here is that you guys don't want more fights. What you want is easy kills. You want pretty much risk free fights. Claiming otherwise is just stupid because if you wanted fights involving risk you'd go to low sec or nullsec because, as you've already said, it's pretty hard to find fights with wardecs because the "carebears" just dock up and a hell of a lot easier to find fights in low or null. The part you don't like about that is you'd lose.

I'm not saying he's right. I'm not saying I agree with his point. What I am saying is all you wardeccers that pick on industrial corps are your own worst enemies. If you just wardecced each other you'd get fights and no one would complain about it being unbalanced but as I've said, it's not fights you're after. You just want easy, risk free pvp kills.

You say you PAY for your right to shoot your war targets. Ok, so why wouldn't it be fair for the war target corp to pay CONCORD 1 isk more to instantly invalidate the war? I mean, this stuff doesn't affect me because I just moved to null and now don't have to care about it but it seems to me that the fairest thing to do here is to have escalation in wardec costs. So you dec a corp, the corp and 24 hours later your dec becomes active. In that 24 hours the corp you decced gets to pay off CONCORD to instantly invalidate it otherwise they get decced with current mechanics. So after they've invalidated it you get to redec them but the cost doubles if it's within 1 month. So they get to invalidate it for the same as you paid and so on. You eventually get to dec them if you're willing to pay more than them but not if you're not. It adds a decent isk sink and means the situation is fair.

Agreed on the neutral rep point. If a player reps a WT in your view they should automatically be considered an ally to the war target for as long as you can see them. You can't 'neutrally' help one side of a war without expecting retaliation from the other!

No.. we want an ECONOMICAL activity in high sec around fights. Being suspect is a compeltely different mechanic.

I can extend the same idiotic line of tought that he uesed.. and say.. you want to be left alone? Then logoff and never log back again.. you will be left alone. SAME PRINCIPLES as his stupid statement.