Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The quotes are fine the way they are.

Having read the entire thread, I have seen no substantiated point offered by you against this proposed change in the ROE.

And as you well know there is nothing a solo mission runner can do to prevent you from stealing the loot and warping out, since you are a suspect for half a second before engaging warp. The option of not accepting the mission at all, or waiting till you are not online to do the mission is available but by not stopping this extortion, I am promoting your type of game play and encouraging others to use the same style, thereby limiting chances of future success by new players in my chosen style. Of course the mission runner can attempt to gank you and loose his ship to concord but that's not really an option either is it?

That's why setting intruders to suspect will give the mission runner a chance to engage and protect what is his, and probably why you are so vehement against it.

100% on-point and accurate.

To be fair, Princess is making 700 mil per Wei Todaki theft and possibly supporting several accounts with the PLEX generated per month with little to no effort/risk currently.

He/she has a lot to lose.

I can guarantee they have put in a lot more effort than you or any of those other mission runners have. If they hadn't, this wouldn't even be a problem for you.

Do you think CCP just saw this guy one day and pointed him in the direction of the site and told him he could get free isk by hanging around there? Do you think they told him the methods he would need to use to succeed and gave him everything he needed? Of course not. He saw an opportunity no one else had and he exploited it. He came up with a plan, practised it, refined it and took all the necessary steps to make it functional and that is why he is winning. You are losing because you are not putting in even a fraction of that effort and you are not willing to either.

You're not even willing to lose a cheap ABC for a 1.5bn profit because you are scared it will hurt your isk/hour.

I said exploiting an opportunity, not exploiting a mechanic. Exploiting a mechanic would be grounds for a ban and this is not.


Yeah good luck with that. CCP don't seem to care.


Actually, if this change came into effect, I'd stand to lose LESS ships because if I choose to suicide gank, I'm guaranteed to lose my ships. At least this way, the mission runner may shoot first and actually SAVE me money, and bypass the mechanics put in place to make suicide ganking balanced. As much as that helps me out, I do not want that to happen because I am not selfish and I know it would not be good for maintaining the quality of the Eve online experience.

I'm not. You are. You're afraid of going suspect, you're afraid of being concorded, you're afraid of fighting for what you want, you're afraid of player interaction and you're afraid of player created content. Why do you even play?

Perhaps the restriction against the use of Warp Bubbles in high security space could be waived when inside of a mission pocket?

That way a defender could simply drop the appropriate device as soon as the thief comes on station, thus preventing them from quickly leaving once they commit their crime, and without necessitating them to carry warp scramblers in their midslots.

I'm making judgements based on the opinions posted in this thread. It's hypocritical for you to mention it though, as you are making judgements about what I do, when you don't even know what I do.


Your arguments indicate otherwise. The fact you described suicide ganking as an impractical solution reflects that.


What limitation is that? I'm not the one crying to CCP because I'm so adverse to player interaction, that I can't bring it upon myself to get some friends or hire some guys to help me achieve my goals and laugh at my enemies when I succeed. That is enjoyable gameplay, you're missing out.


I don't know which hole or button you are referring to but I'm not the one complaining about my inability to learn to play or enjoy the game, so that's another hypocritical statement.

Fear them? Why? What are they going to do?

I have this kind of thing where I like to destroy people's arguments and see what kind of reaction I get from them.

Usually, people respond with immature coping mechanisms.

The 'I'm too important to waste time on the forums' coping mechanism - When you win an argument and the other person ignores your post and abandons the thread. This method is popular with people who don;t want to admit they are wrong, while giving the impression their lives are far too interesting to waste time arguing on forums.

The 'I know I've lost but I'm taking you down with me' coping mechanism - When someone loses an argument and knows they've lost but decides to sling as much mud at you as possible as a way to soften their own humiliation by trying to bring you down to their level.

The 'I refuse to admit I've lost so I'm going to stubbornly continue my argument' coping mechanism - This is when someone loses an argument, knows they've lost, but refuses to believe it. They will continue to argue vehemently, search for any scrap of bad evidence that will support their argument and resort to any available tactic that allows them to convince themselves they haven't lost yet. This person will usually argue until everyone gets bored and then they can tell themselves they won, but they're only lying to themselves.

The last one is the one I like best, which is just when someone acts in a civil manner, admits when they are wrong or apologises for their own lack of understanding and they lose the argument gracefully. They keep their dignity intact and earn the respect of those they are arguing with.

Right now, I'm guessing you're going to be the 'I refuse to admit I've lost so I'm going to stubbornly continue my argument' guy.