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ORE Battleship

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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#21 - 2014-01-26 12:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: HandelsPharmi
  • ORE Ice Harvester
  • ORE Deep Core Mining Laser
  • ORE Strip Miner

  • these modules should get a bonus
    and the base yield should be lowered as well

    you are able to harvest ice or ore, use T1 and T2 crystals at a high risk-reward-ratio
    But it should be much more expensive than a T2 fitted Hulk, sure.
    Riot Girl
    You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
    #22 - 2014-01-26 12:23:53 UTC
    Wait, these faction mods already exist and no one uses them.
    HandelsPharmi
    Pharmi on CharBazaar
    #23 - 2014-01-26 12:34:55 UTC
    because they are very expensive and like T1 modules but with a longer range (17 km vs. 15 km)
    Riot Girl
    You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
    #24 - 2014-01-26 12:52:35 UTC
    Eve-Central shows only 6 ORE modules on the market and they're in lowsec for 400m each. That isn't going to help your role bonuses much.
    HandelsPharmi
    Pharmi on CharBazaar
    #25 - 2014-01-26 12:55:36 UTC
    Bethan Le Troix
    Krusual Investigation Agency
    #26 - 2014-01-26 13:27:14 UTC
    I'm not sure this new battleship is required especially if it has increased yield when mining.

    As far as a fleet defence ship for mining fleets I don't think this part of your argument holds water either. Defence for mining fleets in nullsec could probably be achieved by deploying other existing and probably smaller hulled ships with better results.

    As far as defence for mining fleets in high sec systems is concerned the proposed ships would not be able to stop or hinder suicide ganks. Mining barges & exhumers can be fitted with sufficient tank to prevent or reduce the likelihood of suicide ganks along with not being afk and using your brain. Unfortunately I estimate at least eighty percent of pilots in mining vessels think a shield recharger or a small shield booster constitutes a viable tank. Obviously this is an incorrect assumption but don't let me stop you doing the same Blink.
    James Nikolas Tesla
    Tesla Holdings
    #27 - 2014-01-26 18:58:03 UTC
    Danika Princip wrote:
    More tank, more cargo and more yield than any of the current barges.

    Where's the downside? Do you want to replace every mining ship with one of these?

    It has less yield than a Hulk, less ore capacity than a Mack, and less tank than a Skiff.

    I tried to focus on versatility while trying to give it some characteristics of a battleship. It is as slow as an Orca which is why I gave it the bonus to Strip Miner and Survey Scanner range.





    I increased the PG and CPU so you can fit more of a tank and added a bonus to mining crystal effectiveness. At Exhumers V you can get a T2 crystal from a 1.75 multiplier to a 2.18 multiplier.

    I added two more bonuses:
    x% increase in large turret damage
    x% increase in large turret optimal and falloff range

    Feel free to throw out some numbers, I want this to be able to compete with other ships.

    Another idea I have been tossing around is to increase the Drone Bay size and the ship's Bandwidth.

    As for the bonus to the ORE modules, it seems too specific plus they are very expensive.

    CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

    Riot Girl
    You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
    #28 - 2014-01-26 19:06:15 UTC
    So if it does everything worse than Exhumers, what is the point of it?
    James Nikolas Tesla
    Tesla Holdings
    #29 - 2014-01-26 19:07:40 UTC
    Riot Girl wrote:
    So if it does everything worse than Exhumers, what is the point of it?

    Versatility and a hell of a lot more bite than any other mining vessel.

    CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

    Riot Girl
    You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
    #30 - 2014-01-26 19:26:12 UTC
    Mining ships don't need versatility or bite.
    James Nikolas Tesla
    Tesla Holdings
    #31 - 2014-01-27 06:18:54 UTC
    So before I leave this thread to die, one more question.

    On a scale of one to invade Russia in winter.

    Exactly how bad is this idea?

    CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

    Alaekessa
    Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
    #32 - 2014-01-27 06:57:53 UTC
    I think an ORE T3 would be better than an ORE Battleship.

    Reconfigurable ship capable of doing any of the harvesting possible in Eve as well as functioning as a mini-Rorq.

    They'd need to come up with vastly different Subsystems though, make them all Exploration/Industry focused, keeping the Covert Ops and Interdiction Nullification options for obvious reasons (like ORE Sov being out in 0.0 and mostly home to PvPer which could be equated to pirates in the eyes of ORE).

    After all, they've got a job to do, they need to be able to perform that job in an extremely hostile environment. What better way to explore and harvest in a hostile environment than to have the option to sneak around and evade "pirate" interdiction.
    Riot Girl
    You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
    #33 - 2014-01-27 07:21:32 UTC
    James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
    So before I leave this thread to die, one more question.

    On a scale of one to invade Russia in winter.

    Exactly how bad is this idea?

    It's a bad idea. A BS sized mining barge might not be an awful idea, but you'll need to give it a lot more thought.
    WilliamMays
    Stuffs Inc.
    #34 - 2014-01-27 12:26:35 UTC  |  Edited by: WilliamMays
    Personally, I think the highest yield mining ship should require support in everything but mining and movement, not just hauling. Give it base ehp and fitting that the ship can fit a good buffer, but horrible cap and shield recharge rates so that it cant fit any real local tank. Remove the drone bay. Now your best mining comes from a fleet with logi and dps support; this puts us one step closer to being able to fight off gankers.

    --edit--
    as an added bonus, we get to see idiots flying these things without proper support
    James Nikolas Tesla
    Tesla Holdings
    #35 - 2014-01-27 16:26:44 UTC
    Riot Girl wrote:
    James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
    So before I leave this thread to die, one more question.

    On a scale of one to invade Russia in winter.

    Exactly how bad is this idea?

    It's a bad idea. A BS sized mining barge might not be an awful idea, but you'll need to give it a lot more thought.

    It's why I'm asking for feedback. I just need numbers.

    CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

    Tchulen
    Trumpets and Bookmarks
    #36 - 2014-01-27 16:34:28 UTC
    HandelsPharmi wrote:
    Hulk's boni are: 15 % from Mining Barge 5 and 15 % from Exhumers 5.
    3*1.15*1.15 = 3.9675

    The plural of bonus is bonuses, not boni.

    Now I've got that out of my system (sorry, I just couldn't help it), I'd personally like to see more variety in mining ships. A BS class ship would be good.
    HandelsPharmi
    Pharmi on CharBazaar
    #37 - 2014-01-27 17:10:58 UTC
    Tchulen wrote:
    The plural of bonus is bonuses, not boni.


    my Latin seems to better than my written English, thank you anyway for the (unasked) correction...
    Corraidhin Farsaidh
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #38 - 2014-01-27 17:14:38 UTC
    How about a rig to allow BC's to mount stripminers and increase hold space? They can mount a warfare link too to assist with mining if an orca etc isn't available for support?
    HandelsPharmi
    Pharmi on CharBazaar
    #39 - 2014-01-27 17:20:43 UTC
    To be honest... support is not that problem. If you want "unbonused" ships for mining, you could take a T3 Cruiser, Carrier, Super Carrier, even a Titan...

    We are discussing about a BS hull ...
    James Nikolas Tesla
    Tesla Holdings
    #40 - 2014-01-27 19:58:00 UTC
    How about I give it:
    Shield/Armor/Structure
    4000/4000/4000


    A dilemma I am having is whether or not to give it PG/CPU/Capacitor equal to that of a BS and replace the role bonuses. Also, is the drone bay too big or too small?

    CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.