Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I doesn't matter that the thief can't shoot first. The only way a missioner can protect his objective with your solution is to shoot the then combat commences. The strong and prepared will still take from the risk adverse mission runner, and cries about "princess Wei" will continue. I'm not against your suggestion, I just don't think it will solve anything out of the box.

edited and reposted for clarity:

This suggestion does not criminalize salvaging at all. It only makes mission invasion/trespassing a suspicious act. Salvaging wrecks would not be criminal or suspicious at all. But, choosing to invade the missioner's site without permission to get that salvage would be a "suspcious act" and you would be flagged if you choose to do it (again without permission).

If CCP intended for salvagers to have 0 risk in salvaging, they would be immune to attack in all areas while they salvaged. It's legal to salvage wrecks in WH, Low and Null space, but doing so carries a certain amount of risk due to the location choice. The fact that salvagers can be attacked while salvaging in these locations is proof that CCP does not have the intention of making the choice to salvage risk free.

A suspect flag for trespassing just puts the decision to salvage in a mission owner's pocket without permission on par with the decision to salvage in WH, Low Sec or Null Sec space. They are never forced to go into any of these areas to salvage nor are they prevented. If the salvager chooses to enter these areas or invade a mission owner's space because the reward (ISK value of salvage) is higher, there is nothing wrong with it carrying a slightly higher level of risk.

In the end, the innocent salvager will only need to contact the missioner to get permission to salvage the site. The salvage thief/griefer gets the flag. If the site is empty/vacant/abandoned, the risk to any of them is almost zero.

An unintended bonus of adding a suspect flag for trespassing may be that it creates the opportunity for salvaging players to experience the risk/excitement associated with salvaging in high risk/high reward areas like WH, Low and Null without actually exposing them to the full risk of being in those areas....



You have committed what is defined in RL as "trespassing" and it is a crime because you did so without the owner's permission.

For clarity: IRL you cannot legally go into my house without permission to get a drink of water, even though getting a drink of water is legal.

In-game terms: salvaging is legal and remains so... choosing to trespass/invade a missioner's pocket without permission is suspicious.

I am asking that CCP correctly identify the act of trespassing/invasion into a mission owner's space as a suspicious act and generate the appropriate suspect flag.

Sorry for confusing you by crossing RL terms and game terms.


TLDR

Salvaging is and always will be a legal act.

The chosen locations will carry risk.

If a suspect flag is generated for tespassing/mission invasion, choosing a missioner's space as the location for salvaging would just have the same risk as choosing to salvage in any other area with a higher risk/reward equation (WH, Low, Null).

theft rebalance? NOPE. just learn the new ESS mechanics and run in a cloaked ceptor or something

It really is as simple as that. When you blow up the Pleasure Hub, who's little deadspace facility is being blown up?

You know, you've never really addressed the core issue of your proposal. It requires action. A flag is pointless if no one ever fires on the suspect. Since no one can warp to your mission site without being flagged, who, besides you, is going to attack the suspect? And if it's you attacking them, what is different about the scenario in which they steal something from you and go suspect? If you don't fire on them in the second case, why would you fire on them in the first case? Presumably, your entire concept is built on the idea that, once flagged, the interloper can be dealt with. Since these guys are crashing your mission for the specific purpose of triggering aggression, how does the flagging change the equation?

That's easy, I can blap most anything that warps into my mission as I would tend to sit at my optimal from the warp-in point if I knew anyone warping in was an immediate suspect. Additionally I would drop a can at that point to ensure cloaked ship get exposed on warp-in. I feel very confident in my two boxes and an excess of 3000dps would make short work of an intruder, not mention a dropped Mobile depot would ensure the right tools for the job. But the current mechanic of wait till they screw you before you can screw yourself is unbalanced and a bit Anti-Missioner really.

You're wrong.

Anyone accepting the missioner's fleet invite is exempt from the suspect flag.

Have you really read the original post? Or, are you thread crapping?


Qalix, why don't you just state why you feel invaders should be protected by Concord while they trespass into another player's mission site?


My suggestion offers everyone the right to shoot the invader, not just the missioner.

All that the missioner needs to do is offer a fleet invite to anyone willing to help.

The missioner may not even need to shoot the invader themselves to defend their mission site.

As explained numerous times, they are not trespassing. Anyone has the right to claim ownership of those sites.

I'm not sure why you're still flogging this dead horse.

Their drones will.


He can be killed by anyone anyway, without accepting a fleet invite.


The option is already there. You have all the tools you need to prevent your mission item being looted, figure it out for yourself.

The risk of counter-attack is always there. The victims just don't take advantage of the opportunity because they're useless. This change is not going to stop them from being useless. Also please try to grow up. Throwing around accusations of alts, being scared, and claiming ownership of things you have no right to is not doing you any favours.

This opens up a new type of merc service for people who want to pop others in hi-sec. Go to a mission hub and cloak up in a mission, when a guy some sniffing around decloak and ambush.