EVE General Discussion

Yes because I use this char for everything. Nice KB pushing ePeenery on your part though, proving previous points about people like you.


Every time I get on board with a "guerilla warfare in null" thread, I get Russians smacking. Why? Does this threaten your game? Yet I meet Russian corps that don't live in NPC null and I they were full of fantastic people.


You stain guys did try to hunt me down a few times last time I was in your little playground. Tell me where I lost a ship in Stain.

Its a poor post because of the all the guerrilla war ground-combat analogies and derived strategies in a fleet simulator game, and yes, it is bordering on nonsensical.

Herzog, I must say, you seem to know precisely whats going on here.

I know a few posts back I said I didn't want to pursue this attempt at hub zero, but after reading your posts in this thread and previous threads a few years back I was wondering if you wanted to join the revolution?

I'm never going to quit eve so there's no mad rush, we could start planning now and be ready to start this again in a year or so. I've found that the handful of folks that I have spoken to have no idea what the hell i'm on about, lol, its refreshing to read your posts.

A member of Happy Cartel who i've known for about 7/8 years was asking why I ignored him in local and requested that I say hello to him in local. See, I will actually remain silent in local because if I say hello this will prompt him and his boys to stay in system and wait for me to uncloak. I want my opponents to completely waste their time, am I afk all day? or am I at keyboard waiting to rat?

Or waiting to drop a bomb on them.

My RL commitments keep me out of the game more often these days, though I'm involved with anything FCORD is up to and DC57 research that has me wormhole jumping everywhere and gauging how fast I get blown up in covert sites.

I think you should consider a closed mailing list only for those who are on-board now, and set up correspondence for now, and over time start putting together some plans and staging some operations. Given what's at stake here, a kind of "system" that many are behold to for reasons ranging from RMT to ePeen, it'll probably have to be like a Fight Club. And the first rule should be that nobody talks about fight club. And instead of trying to start it as an announced project, let it develop like a cancer, slowly, silently, until those who would oppose you (for whatever reason) from day one if they knew about it start wondering why they are getting sick. That is, their loots, sites, etc are not as "rich" and their bots or farmers are more often docked up.

All in good fun though.

His heart is in the right place. However he seems to over estimate players ability to co-operate. The thought is brilliant and stand alone. Trying to build a trade HUB is a massive feat however I commend his outside the box thinking. Ignore the nay sayers and just get it done. There are ways to accomplish this, however people find comfort in doubt, and will try to knock his ideas down.

Failures, lets talk about failure, like not talking to your alliance mates about the status of the POS where you left your super logged off, nah, you just logged it on and got aggro by the POS and then logged and then you were probed down and killed. And you have the cheek to talk about glorious failure, I am surprised NCDOT. let you back after that!

I have to say that your post here has amused me greatly, glorious failure indeed...

The trade hub will build itself, where there's heavy demand you will always find people ready to invest billions for a solid 10/20% return.

The truth is I can't do this venture alone. The guy whole stole 20 billion from me was prepared to invest billions in a market here and I was only prepared to work with him if he repaid my money. I was told I wouldn't be getting a single bean. He was stupid for stealing my money and because of this I am now stupid for not accepting him as the marketeer for Hub Zero, now both of us may miss out on a what we want from Eve.

I do not over estimate the general feeling of co-operation from the Eve Online community, In fact, I know that Hub Zero as it is right now may not appeal to the masses. What I would want is for a group of pioneers, industrialists and security personnel to come here and lay the foundation.

If I could come on a forum and tell the community that I have a 250 man corp who are prepared to defend areas in Stain for anyone blue to them, then I believe this would seriously change things. The issue might be this, I haven't done enough recruitment for my corp and I'm going to have to start building a network of people for my corp.

I'm thinking to let go of all ill feeling towards several players and groups who iv'e fallen out with for the sake of moving this forward. Put all the trolling aside for a sec, and the fact you want to continuously pod me aside too... is there anything iv'e said in this thread that appeals to you? It's a shame that were all missing out on a great adventure, I'm sick of all this pussy-footing around lets just talk okay.

To the guy who stole 20 billion from me. I'm thinking about letting you back into my circle, I am simply going to be your friend and accept that I started the chain of events that lead to this. I would hope one day that you see I am a genuine person and decide to square it and return my money. Make no mistake, I got my eye on you and everything concerning you will be done by the book. I may do this because I want the Hub to work, and with you on-board we are one step closer.

Yes, I've read the battle report and it seems years of man hours were lost in that battle. You would be suprised how quickly they can build more titans and supercaps . When there's hundreds of guys available to mine the minerals its possible to get thousands of mining hours out of a single day. I assume both coalitions have a good jump bridge network and can get minerals to where it's needed, because of this I don't think hi-sec minerals will be needed. Also both sides will have great true sec systems to belt rat in so they will get lots of hauler spawns on a daily.

N3 committed 59 titans to this and lost them and we were told it was because of a mistake with the sov bill autopay. If this is true then this underscores the need to be on top of your workload, its important to double check and triple check everything. CCP devs should really check that they have the coding correct on the auto billing system because if it is down to a coding flaw then its going to be difficult to resolve this.

I would hope that people take note and realise that this is what happens in the sov grind, you really need to be the best of the best to survive and you need to have unlimited isk and resource. NPC null is far more relaxed, the going does get tough in NPC null, even then you don't have to put as much isk on the line like you have to in sov.



Wow man, just wow. The true cost of living in sov?

Ah it would be of great interest for the alliances to maintain a policy around a "neutral zone" solely for the purpose of having more people out there mining and such.

But the game does not appear to be set up that way. I don't know if it was intended.


On the one hand, people can say "hurf! blurf! It's a conflict game! Hurf! Blurf! You are supposed to fight and kill every two minutes for everything! Hurfetty blurf blurf! (stroke stroke)".

On the other hand, if the alliances are going to throw metal like this, they might put themselves into a situation whereby the need for more exploitation of nullsec resources exceeds their ability to recruit people who will do it exclusively for them either in the role of "slave" (not owning the results of their labor) or as a worker/racket system where they do not secure the space they are in (not "owning" the means of production, indirectly) or more likely having the alliance as their sole contractee - meaning they cannot raise prices for their labor without permission from the people buying it.

But we still go down the road of "that's now how it really works" considering the dynamics of Jita, cyno/JB usage, and infinitely and reliably respawning resources across all space.

It's may even be possible that highsec still provides most of the trit.

So, the availability of ores will have to change, perhaps as a result of how much it's mined, such that for example if alliances unleash 30 ship isBoxer fleets across highsec to get every last unit of trit then the yield drastically drops (just like overfishing a lake) AND the alliances will have to get into more of these lovers spats where they through more titans into a meat grinder.