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AWOX'ing boot mechanic

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PsychoTroop
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-26 08:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: PsychoTroop
AWOXers - people who attack their own faction or side in FW wars by using various exploits - face nearly 0 penalties. They are usually experienced sociopaths who know how to **** people off enough to attack them (jump into their plex, crawl under their range, target them) while exploiting the game's mechanic designed to prevent AWOXing - the attacking party, who now has some wretched prick poking him in his armpit - takes the faction hit for attacking the irritant. AWOXers are usually older players who know exactly how to do this, who to do it to (usually, newer players).

So I recommend this mechanic: unless you're in a fleet with someone on your side they can't enter a plex you have entered before them. It would just block them out.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2014-01-26 08:41:22 UTC
Exploited mechanics
Sociopaths
Player interaction
Tears

Perfect thread 10/10.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#3 - 2014-01-26 08:51:46 UTC
The ONLY thing i would like to see is that attacking other Corpmembers in Highsec still call the Concord.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-01-26 11:23:24 UTC
PsychoTroop wrote:
sociopaths .


Names his char Psycho.
Plays as carebear.
calls other people sociopath because he can't be bothered doing any security checks, or to monitor new members or to protect his members.
Clearly his members are just there to provide tax revenue for the OP with zero given to them by him in return.
i wonder who is the real sociopath in this story?

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-01-26 12:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
People who attack their own faction or side in FW wars by using various exploits face being banned from the game. If you have proof of exploit use, send a petition to CCP.


(edit) I actually read the rest of your post. Are you really saying that you would attack someone in your own faction for literally being close to you? And you call that them awoxing you? Man, I didn't think even people in highsec were this stupid.
Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-01-26 14:49:08 UTC
I didn't think people from nullsec were this stupid, FW is in lowsec, you know? where actual fights happen Lol
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#7 - 2014-01-26 16:04:38 UTC
If you had to be in a fleet with the person who entered the plex 1st, how would war targets get in there to... you know... do war related stuff.

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-01-26 16:11:28 UTC
YO BRO I SAW YOU WERE DOING A COMPLEX SO IM HERE TO HELP

IVE GOT YOUR BACK BRO
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#9 - 2014-01-26 16:52:48 UTC
Ryann Padecain wrote:
I didn't think people from nullsec were this stupid, FW is in lowsec, you know? where actual fights happen Lol

nullbears only know bubbles and ratting and cap-blobs.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2014-01-26 18:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
As someone who sometimes AWOXs his own militia let me just say this...

- we FW vets know a spy when we see one.
- NUBS NOT BE FIXIN' DER DAMN OVERVIEWS!!!!
- I'm not exploiting anything. I'm just shooting.
- FW farmers that come into complexes that I'm running, burn 25 km from the warp in, and cloak up are not "real people." They are dead weight that must be removed from existence.
- I'm not a sociopath... I'm actually quite pleasant. It's just that people who are supposedly my "friends" like to shoot and/or take advantage of me for some reason... so I return the favor in excess. Twisted
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-01-26 22:16:47 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
(edit) I actually read the rest of your post. Are you really saying that you would attack someone in your own faction for literally being close to you? And you call that them awoxing you? Man, I didn't think even people in highsec were this stupid.


Here's what typically happens:
- Plexer enters the plex, sits there for 10+ minutes. Maybe PvP happens, maybe it doesn't.
- When there are a few minutes left on the clock AWOXer enters plex. Not to help cap it, but to get half the reward.

Now the Plexer has to chose between removing the AWOXer by force or only getting half the LP.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2014-01-26 22:27:46 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
(edit) I actually read the rest of your post. Are you really saying that you would attack someone in your own faction for literally being close to you? And you call that them awoxing you? Man, I didn't think even people in highsec were this stupid.


Here's what typically happens:
- Plexer enters the plex, sits there for 10+ minutes. Maybe PvP happens, maybe it doesn't.
- When there are a few minutes left on the clock AWOXer enters plex. Not to help cap it, but to get half the reward.

Now the Plexer has to chose between removing the AWOXer by force or only getting half the LP.



That isn't AWOXing.

AWOXing is when I join your corp and kill you, not when I come into your site and swipe your reward.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#13 - 2014-01-26 22:38:11 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Hesod Adee wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
(edit) I actually read the rest of your post. Are you really saying that you would attack someone in your own faction for literally being close to you? And you call that them awoxing you? Man, I didn't think even people in highsec were this stupid.


Here's what typically happens:
- Plexer enters the plex, sits there for 10+ minutes. Maybe PvP happens, maybe it doesn't.
- When there are a few minutes left on the clock AWOXer enters plex. Not to help cap it, but to get half the reward.

Now the Plexer has to chose between removing the AWOXer by force or only getting half the LP.



That isn't AWOXing.

AWOXing is when I join your corp and kill you, not when I come into your site and swipe your reward.

In a loose sense it is. You're technically allies (blue to each other) that are supposed to be working together. Blink
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#14 - 2014-01-26 23:57:53 UTC
FW plex rewards ought to be based on time spent and distance to the button - nearer to button: more reward, longer in complex: more reward

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-01-27 00:19:53 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
(edit) I actually read the rest of your post. Are you really saying that you would attack someone in your own faction for literally being close to you? And you call that them awoxing you? Man, I didn't think even people in highsec were this stupid.


Here's what typically happens:
- Plexer enters the plex, sits there for 10+ minutes. Maybe PvP happens, maybe it doesn't.
- When there are a few minutes left on the clock AWOXer enters plex. Not to help cap it, but to get half the reward.

Now the Plexer has to chose between removing the AWOXer by force or only getting half the LP.

that's not awoxing, that's helping. the second guy could not have known how long was left on the clock. and i can all but guarantee that when an enemy warps in, brave deserving-of-reward Benny Ohu will heroically defend the complex, the system and the State, while cowardly selfish greedy undeserving-of-reward Other Guy will warp out and cloak.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-01-27 00:28:43 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
PsychoTroop wrote:
sociopaths .


Names his char Psycho.
Plays as carebear.
calls other people sociopath because he can't be bothered doing any security checks, or to monitor new members or to protect his members.
Clearly his members are just there to provide tax revenue for the OP with zero given to them by him in return.
i wonder who is the real sociopath in this story?

OP was talking about NPC FW corps, of which there are TONS of AWOXers. not much better if your in a aplyer corp in FW, other FW corps/NPC-corp players will still shoot at you.
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-01-27 01:17:51 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Hesod Adee wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
(edit) I actually read the rest of your post. Are you really saying that you would attack someone in your own faction for literally being close to you? And you call that them awoxing you? Man, I didn't think even people in highsec were this stupid.


Here's what typically happens:
- Plexer enters the plex, sits there for 10+ minutes. Maybe PvP happens, maybe it doesn't.
- When there are a few minutes left on the clock AWOXer enters plex. Not to help cap it, but to get half the reward.

Now the Plexer has to chose between removing the AWOXer by force or only getting half the LP.

that's not awoxing, that's helping. the second guy could not have known how long was left on the clock. and i can all but guarantee that when an enemy warps in, brave deserving-of-reward Benny Ohu will heroically defend the complex, the system and the State, while cowardly selfish greedy undeserving-of-reward Other Guy will warp out and cloak.

It's one player harming someone who game mechanics say is an ally. That's close enough for me to call it AWOXing.

As for the second guy not knowing the time on the clock, that could happen. If he lands less than 10 seconds before it finishes and there is at least one non-militia member in system, if he lands any sooner he has plenty of time to warp back out. If there are only militia members in system, his d-scan will tell him the plex is occupied before he activates the gate.

All of the people I've seen warp into my plex have done so with well over a minute remaining. Locking them up and asking them to leave usually gets them to leave. The one time it didn't the guy had stabs fitted, but no warp disruptor or scram. Which tells me his intent was to run from any enemies that showed up.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#18 - 2014-01-27 01:40:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Hesod Adee wrote:
Locking them up and asking them to leave usually gets them to leave.

Sounds like the only AWOXer is you. Either way, it doesn't matter. It's not AWOXing, it's just low-sec PvP which is what you signed up for so quit crying about it.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-01-27 02:12:55 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
All of the people I've seen warp into my plex have done so with well over a minute remaining. Locking them up and asking them to leave usually gets them to leave. The one time it didn't the guy had stabs fitted, but no warp disruptor or scram. Which tells me his intent was to run from any enemies that showed up.

i am shocked and appalled that you would even consider threatening or murdering your compatriots

but yeah you're the awoxer here :P if you're shooting guys to keep them out of the plex you're taking, fine. you're doing it right. the OP's asking that the complex be locked which is ridiculous
Anthar Thebess
#20 - 2014-01-27 07:56:50 UTC
The point of eve was blowing other people ships , now , sadly this was limited to deploy sentry drones.
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