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What's the best PvE use of T3 cruisers?
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Hiton Kado
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-24 22:35:28 UTC
I just love the flexibilty and style of the T3 cruisers. However, I also like efficiency to some extend.

So I was wondering: What kind of content is the best way to utilize a strategic cruiser for PvE? Also, why exactly is the Tengu generally considered to be the best choice for PvE?
Ginger Barbarella
#2 - 2014-01-24 22:52:35 UTC
Wormholes. It's what they were designed for originally.

Edit: and Tengu isn't the king anymore.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#3 - 2014-01-24 23:17:39 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Wormholes. It's what they were designed for originally.

Edit: and Tengu isn't the king anymore.


They were so designed for wormholes that for years years you had to go to hisec to make use of their signature ability to change sybsystems.

Best use of t3's is soloing difficult exploration content in k-space like a boss.

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Hiton Kado
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-01-25 07:25:19 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Edit: and Tengu isn't the king anymore.


Which one would you say is, and why?
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#5 - 2014-01-25 10:23:00 UTC
Hiton Kado wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Edit: and Tengu isn't the king anymore.


Which one would you say is, and why?


That depends on the choice of PVE and the NPC type you'll be fighting.
Hiton Kado
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-01-25 10:45:26 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
That depends on the choice of PVE and the NPC type you'll be fighting.

Let's assume I would be running anoms/ratting in nullsec and would allways fight NPC types that would be most fitting to the individual T3's resists. Or let's assume I would be running C3 anoms, if that makes it easier.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#7 - 2014-01-25 11:16:35 UTC
T3 isn't always the answer but if the answer has to be a T3 then Legion in WH, tengu in most normal space.
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
Verlate
#8 - 2014-01-25 12:42:22 UTC
Tengu is the king.. Specially in wormholes, but when people like the ones posted in this thread say Legion is the best of whatever, they basically think of HAM Legion soloing C3's, but Tengu is actually better, and more used in C3's and every other wormhole..
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#9 - 2014-01-25 15:29:25 UTC
I dont think that T3s are best for anything. Properly fit and used (faction/T2)battleship will outperform them. There might be some uses which require them. Only thing can come up with now is webbing loki for fully cap-escalated sleeper sites.
Hiton Kado
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-01-25 16:24:50 UTC
I didn't ask if there is some PvE out there where T3's perform better than any other ship. I asked, if you (you as in I) absolutely want to use a T3, what would be the best way to utilize it in PvE.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#11 - 2014-01-25 16:33:03 UTC
A legion is best used running c1-anoms like crazy, you can get those anoms done in such short time it makes you wish for an amarrian fastwarp-subsystem.

Tengus are best for soloing c3s or - given you got two-three of them - running c4/c5-sigs/anoms.

Loki is crap, it's a complete waste of time to run any pve-content using a loki for dps. Pretty much the same for the proteus, given what legion/tengu can accomplish.


In K-Space, there is no reason to use a T3 over a dominix/rattlesnake (for highsec Gila/Ishtar) or one of the region-specific ratting choices.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#12 - 2014-01-25 17:02:54 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
I dont think that T3s are best for anything. Properly fit and used (faction/T2)battleship will outperform them. There might be some uses which require them. Only thing can come up with now is webbing loki for fully cap-escalated sleeper sites.


They dont for C3s as they have trouble applying damage to the mass of frigs and cruisers.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#13 - 2014-01-25 19:24:56 UTC
For me, the nullified Tengu was an ideal way to get out into 0.0 solo.
I used to pirate a LOT, so fixing my sec status, ratting, was a weekly issue. After that I started doing sites and the isk was pretty good for awhile.
Missile range worked for many situations, including hard rats, range tanking, and staying away from warp in points/spawn points.
On occasion I would whoore in on a gate fight, just for kicks.
Capless weapon system keeps on shooting, which is huge in some situations.

I tried the other T3's as well. With alts, duel boxing.
Rail Proteus was 2nd best for what I did. The light drone bay let me be more aggressive at staying in anomalies. ECM drones allowed me to get away or get kills when people tried to gank me.
Loki DPS couldn't solo anything, but slot layout made it a good alt/assist ship
Legion didn't have the best *natural resists* for what I did, and the space I flew in.
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
Verlate
#14 - 2014-01-26 01:11:53 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
I dont think that T3s are best for anything. Properly fit and used (faction/T2)battleship will outperform them. There might be some uses which require them. Only thing can come up with now is webbing loki for fully cap-escalated sleeper sites.

You are totally wrong.
1). You can't compare Cruiser hull with the Battleship hull.
2). T3's are best for a lot of specific situations.
3). Even if you compare those hulls, in wormhole space, There is a lot of small targets Cruisers/Frigates, and you need to make difference between paper and real(applied) DPS.
4). Tengu - I don't even have to say anything about it or why is it wrong comparing it to Raven/Cerberus/Drake, because you missed the point which you tried to point out.
5). Legion - Because it's funny to compare it's beastly tank next to Sacrilege's, because you have more DPS as i remember and you also can have neut and be cap stable, refit to dampeners, webs, painters etc.. ( so many reasons why Legion is better than it's T2 alternative )
6). Loki - Capital escalations, tanks more than rapier which is the most important thing, because rapiers often happen to die because of "OMG BLAP'D", and your Loki can scan,covops,web/paint cap escalations, be 100mn, refit to stabs at carrier and nothing can catch you etc..
7). Proteus - One of the strongest sub-cap tanks in-game, godly DPS with T2 fit, extremely small sig, point range (baby arazu) everyone who knows anything about T3's will know I'm right about everything i said.

Conclusion: The thing why people want to nerf T3's is because they are so versatile, but not only they are so versatile, they even excel at all the roles they do better then their T2 version, and some say it shouldn't be like that, i say that mostly, not everything i like T3's the way they are now. Anyway, T3 fleet of lets say 30 Proteus'es and Few Legions, can switch from covert ops to full dps in 1 minute, and Legions can go RR, Hello world 'Mobile Depot maybe' ? Can you do that with Sacrilege's, Deimose's? Faction/T2 Battleships wtf? The answer is no, so bro's T3's are top of the hill right now, except for some PVE where Rattler/Mach/Marauders/Vindis etc are used. But we are talking mostly about wormholes here because it is what T3's are meant for, and the thing you need most there is agility, and the ability to be Covert Ops. Now you can switch between every type of T3, DPS/SCAN/SALVAGER/RR in 1 minute, with only tiny modifications, and you can store all of that in your cargo.

@LLoyd: I hope you guys do Capital Escalations, because we all know how good and better Loki's are compared to Rapier's, and it's their only valid use at the moment for PVE.
I would agree with you, Tengu and Legion are best for PVE, the Proteus and Loki are used only by people who can't use Tengu and Legion, and only viable PVE in them is WH Rail Prot/Blaster+web prot in k-space where you get NPC's in short range or some arty Loki or something, but loki is useless for PVE to be honest.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#15 - 2014-01-26 20:10:23 UTC
Peter Moonlight wrote:

You are totally wrong.


I cant hear you over the roar of exploding sleepers under dronefire of my domies. :-)

You are right that T3s can do practically everything in PvE (from missions to high tier plexes or sleeper sites) and excell at PvP because of their combination of speed, signature and damage application. But for most PvE situation you can taylor BS and make it perform better. Especially drone hulls (domies, rattlers...) excel in long ranges and sufficient RR ability for lower or same price as T3. For null ratting T3s might be advantageous because it can dock up quicker but i would use BS because the bigger is better. (if properly used)
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
Verlate
#16 - 2014-01-26 23:54:12 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
Peter Moonlight wrote:

You are totally wrong.


I cant hear you over the roar of exploding sleepers under dronefire of my domies. :-)

You are right that T3s can do practically everything in PvE (from missions to high tier plexes or sleeper sites) and excell at PvP because of their combination of speed, signature and damage application. But for most PvE situation you can taylor BS and make it perform better. Especially drone hulls (domies, rattlers...) excel in long ranges and sufficient RR ability for lower or same price as T3. For null ratting T3s might be advantageous because it can dock up quicker but i would use BS because the bigger is better. (if properly used)

Maybe i could visit you doing sleepers some time?

Also, BS's are great:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21245273

Try going some BS pvp if you like them so much, i would be glad to help you try BS composition out, but you anyway talk much about things around WH forums also, but you don't know much.

btw: POST WITH YOUR MAIN!
Ginger Barbarella
#17 - 2014-01-27 00:38:48 UTC
Hiton Kado wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Edit: and Tengu isn't the king anymore.


Which one would you say is, and why?


I only use a strat cruiser for low sec exploration and FW boosting (Loki in both cases)

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2014-01-27 01:09:20 UTC
Hiton Kado wrote:
I just love the flexibilty and style of the T3 cruisers. However, I also like efficiency to some extend.

So I was wondering: What kind of content is the best way to utilize a strategic cruiser for PvE? Also, why exactly is the Tengu generally considered to be the best choice for PvE?


this flexibility soon will be nerfed Twisted
but atm they are great, matched only by faction/pirate bs...

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-01-27 01:25:41 UTC
Tengu was king because of its godly tank. Properly fitted, a tengu can tank 2000+ dps and 5-7 neuts. That would be called a super tengu, and is used to run c5 sites of all kinds in wormholes. But, it takes forever to kill sleeper battleships. Ninja tengus, on the other hand, were specced for high dps and medium tank, purpose being to ninja talocans from sertain c5 sites and warp out.

These days anything a t3 can do, marauders do faster.
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
Verlate
#20 - 2014-01-27 09:44:22 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Tengu was king because of its godly tank. Properly fitted, a tengu can tank 2000+ dps and 5-7 neuts. That would be called a super tengu, and is used to run c5 sites of all kinds in wormholes. But, it takes forever to kill sleeper battleships. Ninja tengus, on the other hand, were specced for high dps and medium tank, purpose being to ninja talocans from sertain c5 sites and warp out.

These days anything a t3 can do, marauders do faster.

That's the right word Marauders :).
Marauders then Tengu, only bad thing in wormholes if someone opens a whole and they know what they are doing Bear, and you just got into the Bastion or pointed by sleepers, then you need to pray.
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