Ships & Modules

Then I guess you don't understand MJD ships after-all man.

No bueno.

The MJD jumps you 100km in the direction of your choosing. There are three reasons to use MJDs in PvE.

1. npcs cannot scam you, so its a very good gtfo option for new players adjusting to the difficulty level (like the OP).
2. range tanking, which results in lower tank and capacitor requirements for new players.
3. indirect tracking increase to turrets and sentry drones.

Since you can jump in a 100km radius anywhere, some basic triangulation skills will ensure you stay inside your optimal range, and move pretty fast to the next gate or mission objective. You never need to jump AWAY from the npcs. Also, as you get more proficient with the module you learn to use split weapon systems (for example, drones and missiles) much more effectively in some missions that have spawns far apart.

Lastly, the problem you were describing "spamming missiles-overkill-getting outside of sentry or TP range) is a compound error on your part stemming from two things. Your little experience with the MJD PvE BS and your equation of range to overkill in CM PvE. The first was demostrated above to be wrong.

The second is a lot simpler. The amount of overkill you get in a mission is directly proportionate to your understanding of the mission at hand, as well as the ship you are flying. What the triggers are, how many salvoes does each npc need to kill, how to sync your damage application (TP) to your DPS and how to use split weapon systems (drones + turrets/missiles, with or without high slot grouping). Missiles in PvE have the disadvantage of flying time, but the advantage of always hitting for predictable damage, damage that can be viewed, assessed and relied upon for the next time you encounter the same npc. Thus, after a while you start to count your salvoes, and if you tend to run many missions for a certain faction you also learn to count the salvoes needed for each and every npc. Hell, even with no knowledge in the mission, if you see that you need 5 salvoes to kill a ship and there are 4 more ships of the type in the mission, you adapt and adjust accordingly instantly.

I could go on, but I don't think we are helping the OP here man...so I will stop here. Hope that helps, cheers..C:



Yep, I just changed the fit in Pyfa without changing the drones. My bad.

Your fits rely on painters which have issues outside 45km which means your Furies will be terrible, meaning lost applied dps. I really don't get this fascination with "range tanking", it's not needed and generally just means you waste a lot of time due to flight time or low dps weapons/ammo. I don't know if anyone can remember that far back but we used to do FINE before the introduction of MJD...

And, as Riot girl stated; the Typhoon is FAST. In the 3 minutes it takes you to get your MJD back up it'll have covered 80km WHILE being able use its furies due to proper rigs.

I just don't get the craze people have when it comes to MJD, yes on some ships it makes really good sense to have it as an extra (generally short range weapons fits) but to have it as the only option is just bad. It can be useful as a GTFO last resort and in very specific missions it'll be helpful but there's better ways to use a midslot and PG.




Painters are a binary thing, outside optimal they either work or they don't. So they don't reduce in effectiveness but instead the chance to actually apply gets lowered. And THAT means that outside painter optimal you simply can not tell whether or not your painters will be working when your fury missile hits the target and thus you can't tell upfront how much damage you're actually going to do. And THAT means you'll either send one extra volley "for good measure" or you have to get back to that almost dead target when it turns out you didn't kill it.

And since your only have a limited amount of painters that's gonna be awkward if you're shooting several targets at the same time and that's assuming they'll apply in the first place. Realistically it just doesn't make sense.

Normally, I'd agree. However, for a new player (and even myself), it's very difficult to fit both an AB and an MJD. You also need to sacrifice a mid for a SeBo if you use MJD. The ship is designed to engage in a 20-80 km range and I feel it performs best within those ranges. With an AB, the ship is so fast that you don't need to worry about being tackled by frigs because you should kite them easily with just an AB, and light drones are easier to use at that range. Just my two cents.

I'll offer my humble opinion to the OP

You're seeing alot of fits from people that have chosen their fit to work the way they want to play, so the opinions you're getting about their performance is for the most part based on the same thing: the way they want to play.

SO, from what I've read, you want to use missiles and Drones, and seem to prefer the shields for tank. The BS that fits that bill is the Rattlesnake. Seeing as how you want to fund your BS purchase from Lvl 3 income, that cost might be prohibitive. The next best option might be the Gila (the Gurista's Cruiser, also Drones/Missiles/Shields). Cheaper than the Snake, a good enough tank for Lvl 4's and also fits your play style.

Now, if you don't want to go faction (and honestly, I wouldn't...yet) there are plenty of options. For starters, you could get a Raven and learn how Cruise Missiles work in a Lvl 4, not to mention get familiar with spawn triggers and the like. If you want to stay w/ Typhoon, then fine. Again, best not to worry about Max DPS and finishing speed, rather figure out how the missions work, and just how much tank you really need.

If I were you (and I have been in your position before) I would look at all the BS that have one or more of your chosen play style characteristic (shield-tank, Drones, Missiles) choose one and fit the most outrageous tank you can fit. Forget about any damage mods, forget about any support/ewar mods, heck even buy cheap T1 weapon modules.

Next, I'd look at some internet resources on running missions in your area of space, to get an idea of what to do. Then, I'd start doing your level 4's (with your ridiculous, over-the-top-perma-boost-monster tank) and see how it feels.

Do 5 or 10 missions, get an idea of the kind of Damage you'll be seeing/doing, then tweak a bit. Add some DPS, get rid of some tank, start adding support mods, until you get to a place where YOU are comfortable.

Then, after you know your missions in and out, know exactly how your ship performs, THEN start maxing for DPS. It is entirely possible to run Lvl 4's with a 200dps tank IF you know what you're doing and can kill the rats faster than they kill you. That comes with experience, skills and a fair amount of ISK invested into your ship.

I hope this helps!

After using the fit I posted earlier, I can say this ship is pretty fun to use. It's very fast, needs a lot of manual control and a lot of micromanagement which keeps things interesting. I've found 20-60km to be a comfortable engagement range for most rats and perma-running AB will mitigate a lot of damage. I feel Typhoon is an example of how combat battlecruisers should be; Light battleships, rather than heavy cruisers.