Player Features and Ideas Discussion

if a player formed or joined a corporation, then wardeccing is a playstyle they chose to participate in

looks like you've solved whatever problem you had by dropping into an NPC corp.

wrong

Well we could always say that diplomacy is an option but for pure indy corp who cannot fight back, what else are they to do ? Sit in the station for a week or a month or more hoping it will go away ?

You need to be able to fight back or at least try. Then the greifers (Which most of the time just want newer/smaller corps to disband) know you wont be such push overs.

Plus your less likely to get ganked if you have combat chars hanging around during a mining session.


BTW. What's your reasoning for saying otherwise ?

Actually, you can't just use ewar on them; that's only going to get you killed even faster.

By having the RR ships outside your corp while you're at war, or even in NPC corps, you force your enemy to perform one of the following:

1. Try to kill you anyway, which might not work with the healers on you. After all, that's their entire point, to prevent you from dying.
2. Just ewar or shoot at the RR, invoking Concord. You may now stop wasting ammo on this guy's ship and save it for his friends or any space assets. His pod does still count as a space asset.
3. Get one or more friends to gank/ewar the RR instead of himself. His friends get Concordoken, you lose healing, war target still lives and might turn the battle.
4. Get neutral/NPC-Corp RR himself, be they friends or alts, to try to get you to do #2 or 3.
5. Run away, unless you have warp jammer(s) of some flavor on him.
6. Stop shooting you and dock, if you for whatever reason engaged him near a station.

Point being, just using ewar on neutral/NPC RR is unwise. Encountering such must be handled tactically if you wish to succeed against it. The best counter to enemy RR is friends/alts of your own, so you can focus on your war.

Now for OP:

War Decs exist solely to allow aggressive corporations and alliances to engage other groups freely in PVP in High-sec. Whatever reason they choose to exercise that PVP is up to them. High-sec is not, never was, and shall never be safe. PVP is only discouraged by Concord by forcing loss on the attacker in the case of gank, but all that really did was turn ganking into a spreadsheet game; I've seen one used by a fleet to determine how many Catalysts it'd take to pop a certain mining ship before Concord showed up.


Each successive concurrent WarDec costs a lot more than the previous. I think it was 50m for war #1, 100m for #2, 200m for #3, and so on. At that point, it's not really isk-efficient to have a bazillion wars, which means there are goals in mind for the aggressor in those wars. Perhaps they're mercs, and other corps are footing the bills. Maybe the corp is targeting known out-of-alliance alt/holding corps, so the defenders can't hop to avoid a war on just one. Alternatively, the target corps have members with really expensive assets and the attackers want the goods.


It only costs 1.5 to 2.5m (somewhere in that range) isk to make a corp, and therefore to drop and remake the corp to dodge the war. This used to be declared an exploit, but CCP later overturned that ruling for some reason. In light of that being clear, 50m is a bit high for war, or perhaps the corp creation cost needs an extra 0 since WarDecs also serve as an isk sink, countering inflation in the game. Yeah, I think I'd prefer raising corp creation cost, to balance wardecs better, incentivise staying and fighting (it'd cost less to make a medal to offer to those who fight for you than to make new corp), and sink a bit more isk from the economy if drop/reform is still being used.

Regarding your rant on RR, I'll just point to my list above, about how to deal with enemy "neutral" RR. Mercs and/or larger corps/alliances actually are the answer, as numbers are important to EVE combat. True 1v1s are rare, as any aggressor would want to engage only when he knows he has a good chance of winning.

And others:



I think we can use C&P forum for that; iirc desertion during war IRL is a crime, at least in the US. It might also be in other nations, and I can certainly see New Eden's empires not taking kindly to such, either.

It wouldn't be much different than the current use in warning of thieves, Awoxers, and the like.



Starbases: Actually, this I can go for. If they have assets, let them fight for them. That's already the case with POCOs, I believe. On the other hand, if you're deccing over the moon, them removing the thing frees that moon for your POS, without any structure shoot needed. Then again, you paid 50m+ to shoot, so you should get to shoot something.

Alts flagged as targets: If alts of attackers are also flagged in the war, so that all players in the war, regardless of which character they're on, may engage each other, it might be ok. It is probably best not to open this can of worms for either side, but if opened it should go both ways to give everyone risk.

Corps can't be remade to shed decs: Yes. I'm not sure why that wasn't coded in rather than overturned as a GM ruling in the first place.

Flagged if they drop corp: If this works both ways - where if any character on either side of the war drops, the opposing side (or maybe even both sides, the deserting traitor) get kill rights on him - I'd be cool with it.

Targets marked on map: No. Get your own intel; Locator agents exist for this.

Defenders pay dec fee if they lose: Surrender feature exists for this purpose. Just add the total wardec fees to your conditions when you Evemail offering to let them surrender to end the war, and don't accept surrender until they do it right.

Don't let players start a corp until their account is 6 months old.
Problem solved.

If this ever happens you can enjoy some glorious results, large numbers of solo corps, people playing skill queue online while under decs and people like me devoting a single character with no assets to sitting in these costly NPC corps to see how deep into negative wallets we can go.

Good luck with creating forceful interactions. Should you have any measure of success I believe myself and many others will be thwarting your intentions through every mechanical loophole we can get our hands on.

1. A single character leaving corp does not drop the wardec from the corp the character just left. A wardeccable NPC corp keeps a character that dropped corp under a wardec from permanently being able to say 'no' to certain game mechanics. I should point out that these game mechanics effect every player in this game should they choose to play with other people and in player made groups. Players in NPC corps have an unfair advantage on other capsuleers, this fact cannot be denied.

2. Exploits are bannable under the EULA

What are you?
A James 315 alt, or a griefer alt of some bored, rich null sec group?

Merely an advocate of those that need it