EVE New Citizens Q&A

It was confusing for me and I still see questions from new players on this matters, so here is an explanation of the terminology which will make the subject a lot easier to understand. Frankly if CCP had been a little more thoughtful in their naming, it wouldn't have been so confusing.

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"Medical Clone" = Respawn point.

This is the place where you reappear if you get 'Podded'. There is nothing physically (in game) there. It is just a location that you set. It is possible to set your 'Respawn point' in a station that does not have medical facilities - DONT EVER DO IT. When you respawn the first thing you should do is 'Upgrade your clone'. That requires a station with medical facilites and you should never have to undock to reach a medical station after a podding.

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"Upgrading your Clone" = Buy insurance on your skill points trained.

You don't upgrade anything, you simply pay for your trained skill points to be retained for the next time you are podded. This insurance only lasts for one podding, so you have to reinsure everytime you die. That is your pod death, not your ship. I should add that if you fail to insure those skill points and die again, you will lose some of them. However, it is only a percentage of one skill level of one (Random) of your highest Tier skills. Not a disaster, but irritating.

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"Current Clone" = "Current Jump Clone" = Clone

The only clone you ever see, your pod. It is no different from a Jump clone. Your Current clone and another Jump clone are physically (in game) the same.

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"Jump Clone" = Clone

A new player might think he hasn't got any yet! Wrong, that pod you see when you are not in a ship (but in space), is a jump clone, you just haven't got another to jump between. Train Informorph Psychology and you can get more of them to scatter about the universe.

To get additional jump clones (after training the skill) requires you to visit a station with Medical facilities and 'Install' a new jump clone there. This requires +8.0 standing with the station. The easiest way to get that standing to to join a jump clone corp for a few hours that already has the standing. I can't remember the name of the most popular corp, but someone will link it below shortly.

Once you have installed one or more additional clones you can jump between them (one jump per 24 hours). Understand this: Your Skill points are a global variable for your character and remain the same across all clones. The same goes for your Skill point insurance (Upgrade clone). Your implants on the otherhand are specific to each individual clone. Clones with different implant sets are one of the big reasons for having them. Relocating between Null and High sec without having to run the gate camps is another.

While you install a new JC at a medical facility, you don't have to remain there. When you jump between clones your insurance goes with you, so you don't need to 'Upgrade your clone' after jumping, thus you can jump out of a clone, leaving him at any station without issue. When you die, it is no different what clone you were in. You always reappear at your respawn point with no implants.

Note: You don't lose a JC when you die (Podded). You just lose the implants that were in that particular clone.

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Now let's wrap this up with some examples.

1. Your medical clone is at station A
2. You have one implant - Charisma 3
3. You move to station B and install your first JC, congrats you now have two clones.
4. You move somewhere and get killed, your Charisma 3 implant is destroyed.
5. You respawn at station A with no implants.
6. You upgrade your clone (insure it), fit two implants - Perception 3 and Willpower 3
7. You move to station C
8. You jump to your other clone and appear in station B with no implants
9. You fit new implants, Intellect 3 and Memory 3
10. You move somewhere and get killed, your Intellect 3 and Memory 3 implants are destroyed.

At that point you respawn back at station A with no implants, but you still have that second clone, currently located at station C, fitted with Perception 3 and Willpower 3

What do you need to do now? UPGRADE YOUR CLONE!

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There used to be a bug, not sure if it is still there, which effectively prevented you jumping between one clone to a JC at the same location. In that situation the game could get confused as to which clone had which implants and you could lose the implants.

Whether fixed or not, I'm still in the habit of moving to a neighbouring station before jumping if the clone I'm moving to is at my current location.

Thankyou malaire, you have shown perfectly how new players get so confused on this matter.

Seriously you need to read my post and understand what I am saying, assuming you are not trolling, this was aimed at players like you.

Realising that my medical clone was just a 'Respawn Point' was one of the great relevations for me in this matter. The summary paragraph of the official CCP explanation, linked by the second poster is a classic in misinformation and confusion. CCP increased this confusion because they attempted to embed a RP technical description into the game mechanic explanation. However, the original RP technical description referred only to Medical Clones. Only later did Jump Clones enter the game and then they had to upgrade the description and shoe horn them into it, resulting in the mish mash that now exists. You can see this on the button that says "Upgrade Clone". That came into existance before Jump Clones. When JCs arrived that button should have been renamed "Upgrade Medical Clone".

As far as the term 'Current Jump Clone' goes, I've heard that description from players who understand the matter and are trying to explain the confusion to newer players, it hasn't been invented in this thread. Note: This thread is about explaining the terminology. It doesn't limit itself to the official CCP terminology.

How many 'types' of Clone there are in game is debateable, but when CCP say there are three types and two of them are your 'Current Clone' and a 'Jump Clone', that is plain wrong, at best bad English.

Perhaps a better way to explain 'Current' and 'Jump' clones is to use the word 'Pod' - you have a 'Current Pod' and can have several 'Spare Pods' and jump between them. It suddenly becomes a lot clearer when you think of it like that and it is obvious that they are not different 'Types' of pod. Especially in the context that when you jump, suddenly one of your 'Spare's' changes type to become your 'Current' pod and vice versa.

First off, thanks to the OP for taking the time to explain all of this.

I got a brief intro to the concept in-game from a vet, but this post has done a great job of filling in the blanks.

I do have a question though:

If I have say, 3 clones total. Assume I put a +2 Per implant on one, and a +1 Int on another, and nothing on the third. When I am using the first clone, do I gain only the benefit of the +2 implant he is wearing, and not the +1 implant he is not wearing? And when I am in clone 3 am I no longer gaining the benefit of either implant?

If so, why wouldn't you just implant the hell outta one clone, and then never, ever leave the station with it?

Behold, I bring the words of the Master himself on this matter:



http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/EstelArador/jumpclone_guide.pdf

You only get the benefits of whatever implants are jammed into your current clone.

So, in your example, if your current clone is the one with the +2Per implant, then your training benefits from +2Per.

If your current clone is the one with the +1Int implant, then your training benefits from +1Int.

If your current clone is the one with no implants, then you get no benefits from implants (because your current clone has none).

The reason why people don't "just implant the hell out of one clone and then never, ever leave the station with it" is because some people actually like to do that whole "leave station" thing, and you can only change jump clones once per day.

So you jump into your super implant clone, but then you're stuck in it for 24 hours. After that, you can jump into a different clone, but then you're stuck in that clone for 24 hours.

It's better to get only the implants for whatever your attribute spread is specializing in* - it's cheaper in the long run, and you lose less if you get podded.

*: This is assuming of course you only ever want the +attribute implants. Some implant sets, such as Crystals and Slaves, take up the same implant slots as the +attribute implants. They confer different benefits that, depending on what you're trying to do, may outweigh the benefits of faster training times. (Mind, most implants that take these slots do confer +attribute in addition to whatever other benefits - for example, Crystal Alpha/Beta/Delta/Epsilon/Gamma implants all grant +3 to an attribute, as well as boost your shieldtanking.)

Bump, due to recent questions on this topic

i have a small question for this matter.

By my understanding, to set up a jump clone, I must travel to station B with 8.00 standings or higher with a med facility and set up a clone. I have heard people say that if you reside in the same station as your jump clone is in, some bad things might happen.

These bad things included losing my implants in the jump clone, or in my current active self or both.

Are these true or false, and can I get some more detailed explanation to the possible problems that jump clones can cause?

Thanks in advance :D

note that while Tau's absolutely correct ... CCP has a tendency to accidentally things, so it's always a better plan to keep clones in different stations if at all possible. Better yet, if the clones are suited to different things, it's even more beneficial to keep them a jump apart (just so if you say get ganked, you can't accidentally your secondary pew pew clone with LG pirate implants because you weren't paying attention to what station you docked in to get the HG set).

FYI, I covered that in my post above. Quoting the relevant part: