EVE New Citizens Q&A

imo unless you are a semi-afk mission runner, high sec sux. Go buy some plex to get new ships and join a wormhole or null corp. Or... buy som plex to hire MERCs to run those high sec scamps out hehe - though that can be expensive.

imo it's true. Nice words, but he is in a dead corp. Best to move on to better payouts than what high sec offers for mining. Dont trust anyone is an interesting meme, but the real rule is to not fly what you cannot afford. That rule broken, so best to invest with a plex or two and find better places to work so that those losses can be covered in the future.

Corps in low sec and 0.0 aren't somehow exempted from having non-effort idiots or people who can't be trusted. As such the answer isn't "go to low sec or 0.0" but "get more informed and be more active".

OP has experience and knowledge issues, which aren't solved by "spending plex and going to WH or 0.0".

Don't worry about corporations failing or going inactive. It is very common in EVE to hop corps until you find the right now that fits your play style, interests, and play times. Find one that is right for you.

It also sounds like you take a lot of things at face value. Money donation to corp, paying off ransomers for mining rights, etc. These are things that people do to make money. Do what you want in the game. If it is mining, search/hop around until you find a decent mining corp that runs fleets, has voice comms, and are social. You'll have a much better time mining with you're with people and talking away for a few hours.

As mentioned, EVE is very much a social game. You just need to find where you fit and enjoy yourself. Once you do that the game will make a lot more sense.

Just to be totally clear and not being persecuted for wrong advertisement when I happen to find myself on same grid with OP: there is no such thing as mining permit and paying it to first douche that you meet is totally idiotic. If you want to mine and have protection while doing it join a corp that can and will provide such protection for you due to controlling their space (which is possible even without sov, there are lowsec areas where you cannot just simply jump in and do whatever without locals taking interest in you).

Generally speaking in Eve either you fight or run or pay somebody to fight for you. Sooner you understand it, smoother your Eve adventure will be.

I think you'd have been blown up regardless of whether you had the 10M or not, but maybe that's just me.

And not to pimp out my own corp, but if you're trying to ease back into EVE then give EVEUni a shot. It'll give you access to the mining campus and fleet ops. I'm not a miner so I don't know a hell of a lot other than what's on the wiki page, but there's always someone you ask about it before you apply.

OP, here is a useful guide on finding the right corp for you by NightCrawler 85. There are plenty of high sec industrial corporations that would be glad to have you and may even help you replace your mining ship. If not, start in a venture and work your way up to a procurer (and fit a heavy tank on it to discourage gankers).

If you do find yourself interested in PvP you can look for a corp that goes on occasional roams, or find a more combat oriented corporation. Eve Uni is a nice well rounded corp for new players. Brave Newbies do a lot of combat and are very new player friendly. RvB is a group that will except anyone, but is explicitly combat oriented (not much opportunity to make ISK).

If you can't find a good corp on the first (or second) try, give it a few weeks and then move on. It can be difficult to find your niche, but once you land you will be happy that you kept at it. The right people to fly with make all the difference.

Omega - Don't tell new players to buy plex, or at least qualify your suggestion. The way you said it made it sound like it was her only option. There are plenty of ways to be successful in EVE without spending extra real life money. Many new players fall in to the trap of buying plex to fund shiny new ships, which they promptly lose due to lack of experience and then leave the game because they don't want to buy more plex.

Hello, and thank you everyone who responded with kind advice. I didn't know that there were changes made to the mining ships, and the Hulk was what my (late) corporation suggested I specialize into. I didn't even know what a Venture was until I went into one of the help chats and asked. I'm a bit too used to having a friendly guild to play with in other MMOs, so I admit I feel a bit lost here. I will try to be more careful around the potential scams and such.

About buying PLEX to trade for in game money - Thank you for the advice, but I would prefer to delay that in case I lose ships to rookie mistakes again. I have always tried not to spend too much on vanity items in other games until I have gotten a better grasp of the game, and I would like to do the same here. Putting in too much RL money (Besides the subscription) also makes the newbie mistakes I make feel more real, as if I'm losing real money with each mistake I make. It probably doesn't make sense, I know. I think as some earlier posters have said, EVE is a lot tougher than your regular MMO, so I would like for losses to feel a less painful when they happen. >< I think putting too much money into my ship was one of the mistakes that I made, so I will just focus on building up a small reserve first, just in case. It gets a bit slow and boring building up again from scratch, but I'll try to endure it.

I will also be looking around for another corp to join, thank you for the guides. Although, as I have mentioned earlier, I will probably try to make sure that I have enough for myself in case of more corp drama in future. It would be nice if people could just get along, but I guess arguments and inactivity are always going to happen.

It would still be very nice if you more experienced players have further advice on how to move on. Thank you, I really appreciate all the responses I have gotten.

I think this is a major misconception. You do not magically get ready for low, null or wspace. Surviving in those areas does not depend on skill points, it's much more an issue of knowledge, experience and "infrastructure"[1]. The way to get ready for those areas is to join people who live there, go on a couple of roams with them, where they show and teach you how to live there. You can read up a bit about these areas and it will help, but it'll never replace jumping in and living it. And you could stay ten years in high-sec and still not being any more ready to move to low than you are now.

Of course, you can stay in high-sec if that is what you like, but there's no reason not to move to low or null right away if that is what you ultimately want.

Now, if you want to move to low/null, how to find players to teach you. There are several possibilities. You could of course join a corp. That's a bit hit and miss, make sure that you research them before, check whether they are willing to take and teach newbies and what kind of reputation they have. There are great corps out there, but also many crappy ones (see the guides).

You can also join more temporary groups, especially if you are interested in combat. If you consider null-sec, I highly recommend Agony's basic class, which will teach you the basics of fleet combat in null-sec: http://www.agony-unleashed.com/index.php?/forum/2-enrollment/ After that, you can join public roams if you like that. Fly cheap frigates to limit your losses and learn how to move, live and thrive in those areas. You can also join faction warfare - if you are open about being new, able to follow orders and not afraid to lose your cheap frigate, then you should find someone willing to take you into his gang.

If you prefer sticking with mining and want to move to low/null/wspace, you'd probably have to find a corp. There are low-sec mining corps, but I don't know much about them. I'd expect them to be extremely paranoid about spies though. Null-sec alliances also mine in their sovereign space, but I know even less about that.

[1] what I call "infrastructure" is a) a way to get replacement ships, which becomes harder to further you are away from high-sec, b) intelligence, getting information about what is happening in systems around you, especially on the other side of that gate you want to hop through and c) lots and lots of bookmarks, which are especially needed in null-sec in order to avoid bubbles. Usually a null-sec corp should provide all that.

Oh, and no corp has sovereignty over high-sec. Anyone can blow you up in high-sec, although they will lose their ship. The New Order might leave you in peace if you pay them money (even there is no guarantee beside their word) but there are other groups who kill miners and don't care about whether you paid someone else.

If you fly something with a weak tank and many Strip Miners (especially Covetor and Hulk, but also untanked Retriever and Mackinaw), pirates can make a profit destroying it, despite losing their ships too. If you fly a Procurer or Skiff, they only have one strip miner and the attackers would need so many ships that they no longer make a profit - which makes it extremely unlikely that someone attacks you if you fly one of those. (Unless you **** them off somehow.) And the best way to avoid a gank is to pay attention to local and d-scan.