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Wasted Skill Points

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Idicious Lightbane
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-01-15 07:12:22 UTC
I haven't used my indy skills in years (since I started pvp'ing) If you could simply delete skills without reimbursement I probably would just ot clean up my sheet.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#22 - 2014-01-15 07:40:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
There are no such things as "wasted skillpoints", only skills you're not using right at this moment.

Arguably there's a case to be made for "skillpoints earned in a sub-optimal order", but eh.


I'm going to have to just quote this for great justice.
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2014-01-15 15:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyt Thrace
Malcanis wrote:
There are no such things as "wasted skillpoints", only skills you're not using right at this moment.

Arguably there's a case to be made for "skillpoints earned in a sub-optimal order", but eh.



This is totally untrue. This is your opinion and maybe others but not mine.

Like I said in my previous post, I have trained skills to try out some new feature(PI) out because well you cant try the feature out without training skills. I decided after trying this new feature (PI) that I did not care for it & would NEVER use it again.

So why not let me remove the skills? I understand that I injected them, and for that reason, I DO NOT deserve to get the skill points or skill books reimbursed.

But it should be my choice to remove the skills, just like it was my choice to inject them. I am not gaining an advantage over anyone by removing the skills.

P.S.
The issue with removing skills just to get a cheaper clone is MOOT. CCP already nerfed clones & said they think it is bad and needs changing anyways. If anything charge me a PLEX also to remove skills. The cost of the PLEX far exceeds any clone costs charge me for many, many, many pod losses.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#24 - 2014-01-15 16:09:55 UTC
Moot, god damn it. Not mute. Moot.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-01-16 17:08:38 UTC
It all depends on what you want to do. If you enjoy doing a little of everything that is fine, it just means you will not be able to do anything as well as someone focused to that task.

The term "wasted" just refers to skills you don't use anymore. I started the game thinking I would go indi, lost interest in that and switched to combat. I have about 2 million skill points in indi that I never use. To me, those are wasted.

When buying a toon typically look for a specific task. Any skill points not used by that task do nothing for the value of that toon in their eyes. If they are looking for a PvP toon, and you have 10m SP in indi, they will probably lower their bid accordingly so they are only paying for the SP they actually want. Most people who buy are looking for an alt to do something spacific, they don't want a well rounded character.
Zircon Dasher
#26 - 2014-01-18 22:17:11 UTC
Herrin Asura wrote:

I would buy a plex to get Mining II, Gunnery II and small Energy Turrent III removed from my Character. It makes me sick.
And I am serious.


Are you sure its not the chemotherapy?

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Desmond Strickler
#27 - 2014-01-20 03:08:46 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Mining skills are wasted skill points.


Mining Frigate V for my pvp venture. Definitely not wasted skill points.

[b]Part-Time Moon Bear and Full-Time Black Guy

"My other dread is a Swaglafar"[/b]

Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-01-21 06:53:50 UTC
Desmond Strickler wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Mining skills are wasted skill points.


Mining Frigate V for my pvp venture. Definitely not wasted skill points.


Des you didnt tell me you have a pvp venture

ill have to spin up a pvp procurer and we can wreck some ****

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2014-01-21 11:15:53 UTC
Kyt Thrace wrote:
I have a total of 270 skills at 105 mil SP. If I could use a PLEX to remove unwanted/unused skills even if I do not get reimbursed for them, I would do it in a heartbeat.

I have 43 skills I would delete that total about 4 mil SP. I would do this because I do not care for them. Some skills I trained to try something new out, like PI. Those 5 skills I did used for awhile, but got tired of all the clicking. I do not do PI & will never do PI again. I also trained Research agents when I was young & the passive income was worth it. But CCP nerfed that into the ground & it is not worth it anymore. I would remove all of them.

Mining Level 3 enough said.

I am not trying to reduced my SP to get a cheaper clone because at this point 105 mil SP - 4 mil Sp equals 101 mil SP. I am still in the same clone upgrade range.

I am OCD about my skill sheet & how it looks. Charge me a PLEX to allow me to remove these skills. I do not want to get reimbursed, because I did make the decision to plug them in. But I should be allowed to unplug them too. The penalty for this would be for me not to get reimbursed for skill points or skill books.

This PLEX for Removal of Unwanted/Unused Skills would get for more use than the PLEX for Re-Scuplt. I know many pilots in New Eden & never have once have I heard anyone using the PLEX for Re-Sculpt. I would love to see CCP give us an usage number for PLEX for Re-Sculpt.


I have resculpted twice... you know, for those not-so-self-confident internet spaceship moments Lol
Yolo
Unknown Nation
#30 - 2014-01-23 06:21:01 UTC
Anything your not using is 'waster'.
So you will use only a percentage of your skills no matter how you look at it.

- since 2003, bitches

Bruce Kemp
Suddenly taken over
#31 - 2014-01-23 07:44:25 UTC
Sibius Aidon wrote:
Recently I've been made aware of that there is a such thing as 'wasted Skill Points'. Well, personally believe that it is all a state of mind. My character is a well rounded character, he can do PvE decently well all the way up to Lvl 4's, a little bit of explo decently well, and do anything indie besides invent and produce the T2 stuff. I even got him trained up in PI (which currently is an ongoing operation, cannot yet do planetology but its on the list of things to train before he's really any decent in PI (although currently he can do 3 planets and has decent yield)). Production so-so and PvP so-so. Do I feel I wasted any of these SP? Well, now that I'm acquiring an alt for PvP, and created another alt for indie, I feel I have, while, before I was using, and still currently (and for now) use, all the skills Aidon has. I feel I may have wasted my time, not SP. Those are two different things, as even though time means SP and SP means time, his skills are still usable, and he already owns a variety of different ships for different purposes.

If I had the income to afford to do this a year ago, I could have train Sibius for pure PvE/incursion piloting and some other stuff that isn't covered by my two new alts, and that primarily being furthering is PvE skills and incursion skills. My new PvP alt can fly a Tengu and has T2 heavies and T2 HAMs. And he's already pretty close to being able to fit covert ops cloaking devices so now it's only a matter of time of training him into a Manticore and training hacking/scanning skills so he'd be decent in PvP and explo, since he's already only a month away from being able to use covert ops, the prefered method for being a good explorer. And he can already use T2 cruisers so once I can use T2 frigs all those skill points in Aidon that I have thrown towards PvP/explo would essentially become 'wasted', but this is only in my mind, as if I tried to sell him he'd be decent for someone looking specifically for a well-rounded character, who doesn't want to have alts, or doesn't want more than 2 alts (like say someone with a pure indie pilot that wants a combat pilot, and that can supplement his indie pilot with additional PI if that's his/her thing, and someone else that can fly barges to be able to mine more and produce more).

In the end, it could perhaps be 'wasted' if I'm trying to sell him off as a focused pilot to someone looking for a focused character, but not wasted for someone looking for a well-rounded character, especially maybe to someone that wants to try each area of operations out before making another alt and wasting time training SP for something he/she may not actually like or end up not wanting to do, or before that new player that doesn't mind buying a few plexes to start out with creates a character from scratch, that has the same thing in mind. What's your opinion on this matter? Do you feel that wasted skill points is something that is factual, and has a definition that could apply to any character? Then again, what's the actual MEANING of wasted skill points?


You trained them skills by choice, live with it or STFU. P
Mag's
Azn Empire
#32 - 2014-01-25 09:44:17 UTC
I don't have wasted SP per se, but I do have SP that is wasted in my sheet. Namely the SP I was given at the birth of this character, that I have never used and I doubt I ever will.
Mining 1
Industry 1

Every skill that I have injected and trained myself, is down to me and therefore used at some point. So I don't class them as wasted.

I'm of the opinion that if someone wants to pay to remove skills, but without gaining the books or SP from that removal, then that's OK. But the problems around this and the Dev time to implement it, does limit the chance of this happening.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Oxide Ammar
#33 - 2014-01-25 10:16:10 UTC
Herrin Asura wrote:
Sibius Aidon wrote:
Now, that's a waste of money (and time). If I were to use a PLEX to remove SP I'd want the SP back from all those days I spent waiting for the skill to finish. Otherwise I'd just keep the skill. In hopes that I'd find a reason to use it.


I would buy a plex to get Mining II, Gunnery II and small Energy Turrent III removed from my Character. It makes me sick.
And I am serious.


Same here, Damn OCD !!

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.

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