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Paladin short 1k dps

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STush T
House of Tuachair
#1 - 2014-01-25 04:21:20 UTC
So Im flying a paladin, and cant quiet seem to get enough dps out of it.
858.9 dps IN Multifreq
871.4 dps Gleam
This is the dps i get out of the fitting window.

3 IN heat sinks

My skills arent perfect,
Large Beam Specialization 3
Surgical Strike 4
Everything else is 5 including marauders.

What am I missing?
I know the two skills will add dps, but it still wont get me to the 1000 that Ive seen on some peoples fits.
A fourth heat sink doesnt add much, neither does a damage rig.

If someone who flys a Pally, and gets 1000dps (excluding drones) could give me a few pointers, Id be much appreciative.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2014-01-25 04:35:34 UTC
Try pulse lasers.
STush T
House of Tuachair
#3 - 2014-01-25 04:41:43 UTC
I was using pulses for awhile, scorch was nice, but I still didnt get 1000dps with them. I have L pulse laser spec 4
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2014-01-25 04:52:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
You should break 1000 DPS easily with just 3x T2 Heat Sinks and Conflagration. If you use 4 Heat Sinks, maybe some faction ones, you should be able to do it with IN MF.

Edit; with your skills, you can break 1k with 2x faction HS, 1x T2 HS and a T2 damage rig with IN MF.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-01-25 04:54:01 UTC
STush T wrote:
So Im flying a paladin, and cant quiet seem to get enough dps out of it.
858.9 dps IN Multifreq
871.4 dps Gleam
This is the dps i get out of the fitting window.

3 IN heat sinks

My skills arent perfect,
Large Beam Specialization 3
Surgical Strike 4
Everything else is 5 including marauders.

What am I missing?
I know the two skills will add dps, but it still wont get me to the 1000 that Ive seen on some peoples fits.
A fourth heat sink doesnt add much, neither does a damage rig.

If someone who flys a Pally, and gets 1000dps (excluding drones) could give me a few pointers, Id be much appreciative.


I'm on my phone but looked at my fit with Neocom and it shows 977 DPS. Implants will help you. When I get on my PC I'll post my DPS but I know it's over 1k with implants. You should use a 4th heatsink since if you're only fighting EM two hardeners and a LAR is plenty of tank.
STush T
House of Tuachair
#6 - 2014-01-25 05:27:38 UTC
I stand corrected, with Conflag i do get 1033dps. Switched back out to pulses, got some conflag crystals and sure enough. So is this the number that everyone is quoting? Because in my opinion, conflag is very limited. With two optimal range scripts, and bastion i get optimal out to 30km, which to me is poor.
I will look into a fourth heat sink, I could part with the DCII, its more of a gank resist, but i think with bastion I should still be alright.
Implants, what implants are you using? Ive seen 3% damage increase implants, but wasnt impressed with the return for the price. Definitely interested in your fit with implants.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#7 - 2014-01-25 05:41:57 UTC
Conflag is for big slow stuff like other BSes. It helps if you have webs fitted too, but with the fit I made in EFT, max skills and no hardwires, I am getting 1157 with Conflagration.
STush T
House of Tuachair
#8 - 2014-01-25 06:10:41 UTC
Just discovered after some advice, there are TWO damage inplants. Slot 9 for all turrets, and slot 10 for lasers. 10% is defiantly something im going to pursue.

Conflag, i do get 1000+ dps with only 3 heatsinks so maybe the tactic is fit a nano in the lows instead of a fourth heatsink and fly the pally like a mach.

Anyway, thanks for the advice, and for anyone else, your more then welcome to post your pally 1000+ dps fit so I can compare/ unashamedily imitate.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#9 - 2014-01-25 06:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
STush T wrote:
maybe the tactic is fit a nano in the lows instead of a fourth heatsink

I wouldn't, personally. Marauders are slow as hell, I don't think a nano will help much. It definitely won't help you complete missions faster, especially in bastion mode.

Here's a basic template for 1037 IN MF / 1157 Conflag. You can switch the rig for another heat sink if you want.

[Paladin, New Setup 1]
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Energy Burst Aerator II
[empty rig slot]
STush T
House of Tuachair
#10 - 2014-01-25 07:25:19 UTC
yeah, i wasnt seriously thinking about fitting a nano, like you said makes the bastion a hindrance, so you dont use it, then you dont have a safe tank. But it is about the only way conflag is decent. Not to many missions where the bs orbit at just the right distance for tracking and inside optimal.
As it is im sticking with my tachs, added a fourth heatsink, and am going to buy the two implants.
with tachs and INMF im getting 916 out to 45km, implants will push me to 1007dps.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#11 - 2014-01-25 09:57:32 UTC
It's the little things like a 4th HS (still adds 5% overall dps) and a T2 rof rig. In Tachyon form it would look like this:

[Paladin, Tachyon]
Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Tracking Enhancer II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Core C-Type 100MN Afterburner
Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
[empty high slot]
Corpus C-Type Heavy Nosferatu
Small Tractor Beam I
Bastion Module I

Large Energy Burst Aerator II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Zenith Gravit
LionGate Enterprises
#12 - 2014-01-25 14:52:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenith Gravit
Not mine, but a saved fit.from an alliance member, but I checked it in EveHQ, With perfect support skills, pulse specialization 4, marauders 4, and a 5% implant and slots 9 and 10 its just over 1200 paper DPS with Conflag. A stupid high omni tank too.

[Paladin, Paladin]
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Bastion Module I
Large EMP Smartbomb I
Large EMP Smartbomb I
Large EMP Smartbomb I

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Targeting System Subcontroller I
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#13 - 2014-01-25 15:20:17 UTC
That's a hilariously dumb fit, you probably shouldn't use any of the fits that guy gives you.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#14 - 2014-01-25 15:53:36 UTC
Zenith Gravit wrote:
Not mine, but ...
best fit for getting yourself ganked. :D
Morwennon
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#15 - 2014-01-25 16:38:34 UTC
[Paladin, tach]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Large Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Internal Force Field Array I

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Gist C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Bastion Module I

Large Energy Burst Aerator II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Run with SS-905 and LE-1005 implants. 1095 gun dps at 70+47 km with IN MF, 1111 dps at 35+47 km with gleam. You can swap over to mega pulses without changing any other parts of the fit, in which case you get 1159 dps at 32+19 km with IN MF or 924 dps at 95+19 km with scorch.
STush T
House of Tuachair
#16 - 2014-01-25 19:49:22 UTC
Thanks for the fits,
-Zenith, Im pretty much convinced that conflag has too limited of use. Although the MWD would certainly help. But again, your back up against the bastion, as soon as you have to use it, you lose your dps. Course theres scorch. . .

-Gregor, I worry about tracking in that fit. If you MJD away to get tracking, then your out of range of INMF, and if you are in range, then it seems your dps will suffer from lack of tracking. I run 2 tracking comps. with tracking scripts and a t2 tracking rig and still have trouble getting into the sweet spot for max dps and max tracking.

-Mrwennon, I hate boosters, either you rely on them and use them to much, or you use them in emergencies, and never use them, in which case something else should go there. Clearly Im not a fan, for better or worse.

Im pretty much happy with what im flying now here,
Pally
4 IN heatsinks
2 adaptive nano membranes
Large rep

2 tracking comps with tracking script (and optimal, but almost never used)
After burner
MJD

4 t2 tachs
bastion

T2 CCC
T2 Energy Metastasis Adjuster

Getting 916 dps with INMF

So im getting the implants, and doing a bit more training, should give me 12% more dps.
I do have a final question though, Im torn between tracking and dps. In your guys opinion whats the best combo, heres what ive seen from you guys,
-dps rig & 4th heatsink (stacking penalty being a concern)
-dps rig with 3 heatsink and a tracking enhancer
-or like i have now with tracking rig and a 4th heatsink?

I have played with a nightmare, (in response to future comments) but never got confident with its tank and the potential problem to dc, thus the pally is a better option.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#17 - 2014-01-25 20:15:20 UTC
Might be a dumb question:

Do you have drones in there? Are they included in your stats?
Hobs should add 100ish DPS.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#18 - 2014-01-25 20:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
STush T wrote:
Gregor, I worry about tracking in that fit. If you MJD away to get tracking, then your out of range of INMF, and if you are in range, then it seems your dps will suffer from lack of tracking. I run 2 tracking comps. with tracking scripts and a t2 tracking rig and still have trouble getting into the sweet spot for max dps and max tracking.


Tracking is indeed highly important, but that fit has 2 TC and a TE, and while a T2 tracking rig will help it will ONLY help when tracking starts to become an issue, like a full transversal cruiser at 20-30km. But the second the target isn't a short range full transversal cruiser that T2 ROF rig will net you better applied dps.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#19 - 2014-01-25 20:34:04 UTC
STush T wrote:
Thanks for the fits,
-Zenith, Im pretty much convinced that conflag has too limited of use. Although the MWD would certainly help. But again, your back up against the bastion, as soon as you have to use it, you lose your dps. Course theres scorch. . .

-Gregor, I worry about tracking in that fit. If you MJD away to get tracking, then your out of range of INMF, and if you are in range, then it seems your dps will suffer from lack of tracking. I run 2 tracking comps. with tracking scripts and a t2 tracking rig and still have trouble getting into the sweet spot for max dps and max tracking.

-Mrwennon, I hate boosters, either you rely on them and use them to much, or you use them in emergencies, and never use them, in which case something else should go there. Clearly Im not a fan, for better or worse.

Im pretty much happy with what im flying now here,
Pally
4 IN heatsinks
2 adaptive nano membranes
Large rep

2 tracking comps with tracking script (and optimal, but almost never used)
After burner
MJD

4 t2 tachs
bastion

T2 CCC
T2 Energy Metastasis Adjuster

Getting 916 dps with INMF

So im getting the implants, and doing a bit more training, should give me 12% more dps.
I do have a final question though, Im torn between tracking and dps. In your guys opinion whats the best combo, heres what ive seen from you guys,
-dps rig & 4th heatsink (stacking penalty being a concern)
-dps rig with 3 heatsink and a tracking enhancer
-or like i have now with tracking rig and a 4th heatsink?

I have played with a nightmare, (in response to future comments) but never got confident with its tank and the potential problem to dc, thus the pally is a better option.


if you are worried about the nightmare and dcs, well then lets just say you should probably never use bastion mode. People say your ship will just sit there and do nothing.

and conflag has way better tracking than tachys with IN Multi. the range is pretty limiting but hey perfect for a few missions. and there is now the option to switch mid mission with a mobile depot.

oh and personally I just go with dps. Usually have 2-3 tracking comps and always easy to swap to tracking speed.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

STush T
House of Tuachair
#20 - 2014-01-25 21:13:37 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:

Tracking is indeed highly important, but that fit has 2 TC and a TE, and while a T2 tracking rig will help it will ONLY help when tracking starts to become an issue, like a full transversal cruiser at 20-30km. But the second the target isn't a short range full transversal cruiser that T2 ROF rig will net you better applied dps.



I hadnt thought of that. What im understanding is a rof rig makes the sweet spot sweeter, where as my tracking rig only makes the borders of the sweet spot bigger. But once your in the sweet spot, its a waste.

t2 tracking rig has a 20% boost to tracking
t2 tracking enhancer only does 9.5% boost, but better optimal (ignoring falloff for lasers), better optimal means I can get further away and still be in the sweet spot, (thinking out loud) so i think your completely right, a tracking enhancer does as a whole help more then just a tracking rig. This is exactly the kind of advice i was looking for.
But the other question is whether 5 forms of dps boost is worth it.
And if it is worth it, then what about the tank? One rep, One resist? Assuming we all dont immediately throw down a yurt and load up on tank if it gets to much, although to be honest i dont like the yurts, but i can definitely see the benefit of being jonny on the spot with one and saving yourself from a stupid mistake.

This is without drones, just guns.

And for DCing, with the pally i have enough buffer to jump back on, a nightmare didnt have a lot of room for neglect.
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