Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just to play antagonist here.

Average EVE player has almost 3 accounts. Literally 90% or more of low/null/wh players maintain a highsec account, so that number is skewed.

The reason they maintain those accounts is because the relative income possibility of highec compared to the disproportianetly low risk means it is better than low, and for solo better than WH for income. I'm not talking raw Isk/hour, but average income with possibility of loss.

Now I enjoy highsec, its good casual play. but it is the only current region capable of being completely self-sustaining for income AND industry.

So for the sake of other region's continued validity as a practical base of operations, highsec WILL receive a nerf. Either to income or safety. Which one is your choice, but its one you'll have to make.

It is doubtful high-sec would be nerfed in any significant way. Those that have mains in low/null/wh have alts in hi-sec that make isk or get goods from the market.

This is my concern as well, When Ccp announced the rebalanceing of every ship and such, i was Great: Now all the little flaws and such will get straigtened out. Don't get me wrong i'm happy with over 99% of the rebalanceing thats been done so far. And in some area's of that remaining 1% there are no doubt things i'm biased about. But i get the growing fear that lately The "we must have 2 expansions a year, and in each there has to be new tings in it" is slowly growing to we must have 4 expansions a year and each must have new things in it.

Take Rubicon 1.1 for example, 2 new structures, and a new ship! Great! but that also means that there have to be more things to be ready in just 5 months time More ships more structures more modules wich will take up a lot of time planning and balanceing, that it is my fear that the balanceing itself, the looking back and see whats been done, whats been happening, and where there is room for improvements is getting an ever decreasing amount of time.

Not because they don't want to spend time on it, but with the newer, faster deadlines, they just don't have the manpower to do so. Id feel much happier and safer, that instead of implementing new modules, ships features and all those nice extra goodies, in a 1.1 patch, they take the time to look back at whats implemented, and tweak accordingly.

The game is over a decade old, has hundreds of ships, thousands of modules, millions of variations. Slow down the pace. Use the 1.1 iterations to adjust, and rebalance issues instead of bringing in new things.

In my opinion you got it wrong to a certain extend. EVE is a MMO, that is correct; but EVE is also a Sandbox where every player can do whatever they want, like and prefer to play. There is no and there should never be a mandatory "You must play with others or else you play the game wrongly" in EVE. Yes, EVE gives you great times when you play with others, but it also gives you great pleasure when you play alone. No, there should not be features that only favor one side of the game (PVP over PVE, multi-player over single player, etc.); for every feature that boosts one side of the coin, there should be another feature that boosts the other side of the coin.

Also, stating that you play the wrong game if you don't interact with other players is fairly egoistical, because you think you are the only type of player in this game, when in fact you are only 1 type among many who play this game with great pleasure and fun. So, instead of forcing every type of player into your limited picture of the world, learn to accept that there are more player types -- similar to your claim that PVE players must accept that they are not save from PVP in highsec -- and stop being so hypocritical.

^ i agree highsec is just as risky as lowsec.

They come from both once you start manufacturing :D Also your corp name has made me need a nice Java blend damn you!

So, let's check your complaints:

You can still can mine everywhere, but you don't have to any more. High sec miners actually have been doing something that players from other sec levels and professions demanded from them for years: they adapted and got new toys to play with. Learning players and using better equipment and techniques is now a bad thing? Hmkay.

The same smack still exists, and so do the can flippers. Many of them went to school systems, though, and kill unwashed new players there. Very brave. Also, where is the difference between flipping a can voluntarily or not and accepting a duel voluntarily or not? Exactly, there is none. Both are prone to pilot errors or hastily made wrong choices. Very bad.

Hulkageddon is an invention of CFC, not CCP and not a mandatory game mechanic. More mining barges than ever die. Moreover, killing miners is as easy as ever since mining barges, at least those which have a reasonable good yield, are not known for being tank monsters. You failed to gank a Procuror or Skiff, or a tanked Mackinaw? Well, this is your fault then for not checking the fittings or learn about new toys. Learn and adapt or fail, that's what people like you demand from high sec dwellers, so you have to do it, too.
If CFC cannot afford to do a announced and "organized" Hulkageddon, how about you take over that job and create one? Player created content, but only if others do the hard work? So wow.

Getting sec level back up to gank again is tedious? Oh, how very terrible is that! A criminal has to work hard to get his security level back up to positive! Outragous! Tried tags yet? No? Too poor you say? Awww, what a shame. Well, less ganking for you then if you fail to earn money efficiently. There are numerous ways to earn money and sec status, and since Tags for Sec(s) has been introduced, it's easier than ever to get your piracy going faster.

I won't comment on the "stupid people" part, as I think I've proven very well to which category you apparently belong.

I hope you do not take this the wrong way, but please never apply for a job as a Dev at CCP.

Thanks.

Right as I come out of reading discussions on new player retention and getting more players, not more alts. Being way too particular about the crowd you draw in and only focusing or further develop on one aspect of gameplay makes for a very limited sandbox, and a very dull one. Simple fact, most of the new blood in EVE doesn't sign up for trial because of the combat aspects, and those who manage to not get trolled or griefed out of trial often get disappointed when EVE's "glorious pvp" is mostly simple blob warfare or only get in fights you know you are for sure going to win with a lot of emphasis on ganking and cookie cutter fits. I understand for some that is EVE's biggest draw, however after going to a few tech meetups and gamer groups, it seems that for ever one PVP/eve is thunderdome b@#$# player that mentality draws in, EVE looses at least a dozen others that would have otherwise been interested in the other aspects of the game.

Dust 514 is a pvp oriented game, Call of duty is a pvp oriented game, etc etc. EVE is a vast and expanding sci-fi universe. Saying, and directing the game as just pvp overlooks the other aspects that most new blood finds interesting, and the very substance that makes EVE a sandbox, not another simple combat simulator/arena. There is a growing idea amongst folks, that eve is not so much of a sandbox anymore, it is a litterbox. I wonder why >.>


For me, its instability is the only thing that lets me get into null/lowsec. Also, interdiction nullification. Further stabilizing null only lets the current power blocs keep their order, keep their stability, and keep null empty and not so interesting. Anyways, why call it null (no security) sec and place it on what would be considered the vast outer ring of civilized space that is too far from the efficiencies of civilization, if you are just going to make it not only the most secure, but the most industrially organized region? Kinda contradicts the namesake.. unless ccp wants to change how they lable space regions and their concepts entirely...

As for the Original Post/idea, they can nerf highsec to near uselessness. For me it would only result in me being even more careful about avoiding asset loss, it wouldn't determine whether or not I go into null/low. Since it would then be harder to replace any of those losses. I generally have more fun in frigates then capitals or battleships anyways... lower clone cost too if I manage to get podded and am only skilled into frigs.. Part of what keeps me going back there is the more unbiased freedom to move around as I wish, when I wish, where I wish. Without player enforced null politics limiting where I go or what I can do, or foresight about a rivaling pirate group living somewhere along my path and the reliance on intel channels. It is the freedom to wander the vastness of what EVE has to offer. Including various broad playerbase markets that are focused on the actual trade/economic aspects, not who you have standings with or how well you can dodge bubbles/camps, with a limited choice in ships to even attempt a purchase with. Lastly there is the safe station spot to hold all of what I worked for in eve and the hub from which I operate. That security alone is something that will always keep highsec more active, and probably always under the nerf scope.

::edit:...sorry about the format crap. Since the forum has a habit of eating posts, I have to copy/paste from another word program. Looks fine, until i hit post.

Did you ever think that this was because the unenthusiastic ones are pretty much trolled all the time? The ones you deem unenthusiastic about PVP are pretty much the Indy guys. The Indy guys in Eve are the laughing stock / whipping boys and when it comes to any changes in Eve they rarely happen in their favor. How many years before something like the Orca and Rorqual? Then how many years before the re-balance of the Mining Barges? Which as an Indy guy at heart, still pisses me off how they did some of the bays, but I digress.

High Sec should be the learning area for noobs and instead it is the place where it is probably most hazardous for them. It is almost safer to try to get them into Null Sec away from the gankers, scammers, and war decs because you have older chars that tend to only want to make noobs miserable. Yet the learning curve in Null for new to Eve people is steeper than it is in High Sec. You have alliance rules, then Coalition rules, all the different comms, NRDS, NBSI, or any thing else you can pop into this thing.

People wonder why BNI took off, they in a way sheltered noobs and gave them a home. They are one group out of thousands and the rest don't seem to care. There should be a "semi" safe place for people in Eve and there isn't. Short of staying docked up, playing the market, and having someone else do the hauling for you. There really isn't a way to keep someone safe. Changes need to happen to High Sec, but more in favor of helping the new guys instead of hurting them.